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[147.75.80.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ox3-20020a170907100300b00a438bd69dd8si1549627ejb.71.2024.03.01.08.28.04 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 01 Mar 2024 08:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel+bounces-88698-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org designates 147.75.80.249 as permitted sender) client-ip=147.75.80.249; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; arc=pass (i=1 spf=pass spfdomain=arm.com dmarc=pass fromdomain=arm.com); spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel+bounces-88698-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org designates 147.75.80.249 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="linux-kernel+bounces-88698-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org"; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=arm.com Received: from smtp.subspace.kernel.org (wormhole.subspace.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by am.mirrors.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A3D61F257E0 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CC770CD9; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from foss.arm.com (foss.arm.com [217.140.110.172]) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0BA1C33 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=217.140.110.172 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1709310462; cv=none; b=XB/PKe580VFSQ6Q89qgMVaMvKPlE4RswBbJACStcBkQSphV8XDmn8KuAAzuhbCpzwmWft0En+JHXdgaMzObESMwVjNKNmCe70cg0c/z5sIu5Vmdso23A71fhNHh9rsS0ZT05zEquzT/Sp5xoUePXjlQvcvbQKT0/LNrmS5gKLAc= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1709310462; c=relaxed/simple; bh=jxsdDdqvTdJPGgiXXNsppAPPDpV1z+PHZJz8iNpOySk=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=nKW8gu1wX6Pu0acKMUL8J4xSSyyvkf1OdyrR1ZKg3ICVnFltklMCUE5xLUYDY8b5Y5rivsrkb97RkhhQ7b78oS2+MSF0CGQCjQ58BR4LcEU2s+jYvGEGI8BSQFumjFUTf5C0UGLyxQy+MtA1WUYb97rf3UVtzZDvh8jqJ6ugP5A= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=arm.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=arm.com; arc=none smtp.client-ip=217.140.110.172 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=arm.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=arm.com Received: from usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (unknown [10.121.207.14]) by usa-sjc-mx-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DCF1FB; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 08:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.57.68.58] (unknown [10.57.68.58]) by usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E37143F73F; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 08:27:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ebac77a-5c61-481f-8ac1-03bc4f4e2b1d@arm.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:27:32 +0000 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] mm: swap: Remove CLUSTER_FLAG_HUGE from swap_cluster_info:flags Content-Language: en-GB To: David Hildenbrand , Andrew Morton , Matthew Wilcox , Huang Ying , Gao Xiang , Yu Zhao , Yang Shi , Michal Hocko , Kefeng Wang Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org References: <20231025144546.577640-1-ryan.roberts@arm.com> <20231025144546.577640-2-ryan.roberts@arm.com> <6541e29b-f25a-48b8-a553-fd8febe85e5a@redhat.com> <2934125a-f2e2-417c-a9f9-3cb1e074a44f@redhat.com> <049818ca-e656-44e4-b336-934992c16028@arm.com> <4a73b16e-9317-477a-ac23-8033004b0637@arm.com> <1195531c-d985-47e2-b7a2-8895fbb49129@redhat.com> From: Ryan Roberts In-Reply-To: <1195531c-d985-47e2-b7a2-8895fbb49129@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 28/02/2024 15:12, David Hildenbrand wrote: > On 28.02.24 15:57, Ryan Roberts wrote: >> On 28/02/2024 12:12, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>>>> How relevant is it? Relevant enough that someone decided to put that >>>>> optimization in? I don't know :) >>>> >>>> I'll have one last go at convincing you: Huang Ying (original author) commented >>>> "I believe this should be OK.  Better to compare the performance too." at [1]. >>>> That implies to me that perhaps the optimization wasn't in response to a >>>> specific problem after all. Do you have any thoughts, Huang? >>> >>> Might make sense to include that in the patch description! >>> >>>> OK so if we really do need to keep this optimization, here are some ideas: >>>> >>>> Fundamentally, we would like to be able to figure out the size of the swap slot >>>> from the swap entry. Today swap supports 2 sizes; PAGE_SIZE and PMD_SIZE. For >>>> PMD_SIZE, it always uses a full cluster, so can easily add a flag to the >>>> cluster >>>> to mark it as PMD_SIZE. >>>> >>>> Going forwards, we want to support all sizes (power-of-2). Most of the time, a >>>> cluster will contain only one size of THPs, but this is not the case when a THP >>>> in the swapcache gets split or when an order-0 slot gets stolen. We expect >>>> these >>>> cases to be rare. >>>> >>>> 1) Keep the size of the smallest swap entry in the cluster header. Most of the >>>> time it will be the full size of the swap entry, but sometimes it will cover >>>> only a portion. In the latter case you may see a false negative for >>>> swap_page_trans_huge_swapped() meaning we take the slow path, but that is rare. >>>> There is one wrinkle: currently the HUGE flag is cleared in >>>> put_swap_folio(). We >>>> wouldn't want to do the equivalent in the new scheme (i.e. set the whole >>>> cluster >>>> to order-0). I think that is safe, but haven't completely convinced myself yet. >>>> >>>> 2) allocate 4 bits per (small) swap slot to hold the order. This will give >>>> precise information and is conceptually simpler to understand, but will cost >>>> more memory (half as much as the initial swap_map[] again). >>>> >>>> I still prefer to avoid this at all if we can (and would like to hear Huang's >>>> thoughts). But if its a choice between 1 and 2, I prefer 1 - I'll do some >>>> prototyping. >>> >>> Taking a step back: what about we simply batch unmapping of swap entries? >>> >>> That is, if we're unmapping a PTE range, we'll collect swap entries (under PT >>> lock) that reference consecutive swap offsets in the same swap file. >> >> Yes in principle, but there are 4 places where free_swap_and_cache() is called, >> and only 2 of those are really amenable to batching (zap_pte_range() and >> madvise_free_pte_range()). So the other two users will still take the "slow" >> path. Maybe those 2 callsites are the only ones that really matter? I can >> certainly have a stab at this approach. > > We can ignore the s390x one. That s390x code should only apply to KVM guest > memory where ordinary THP are not even supported. (and nobody uses mTHP there yet). > > Long story short: the VM can hint that some memory pages are now unused and the > hypervisor can reclaim them. That's what that callback does (zap guest-provided > guest memory). No need to worry about any batching for now. > > Then, there is the shmem one in shmem_free_swap(). I really don't know how shmem > handles THP+swapout. > > But looking at shmem_writepage(), we split any large folios before moving them > to the swapcache, so likely we don't care at all, because THP don't apply. > >> >>> >>> There, we can then first decrement all the swap counts, and then try minimizing >>> how often we actually have to try reclaiming swap space (lookup folio, see it's >>> a large folio that we cannot reclaim or could reclaim, ...). >>> >>> Might need some fine-tuning in swap code to "advance" to the next entry to try >>> freeing up, but we certainly can do better than what we would do right now. >> >> I'm not sure I've understood this. Isn't advancing just a matter of: >> >> entry = swp_entry(swp_type(entry), swp_offset(entry) + 1); > > I was talking about the advancing swapslot processing after decrementing the > swapcounts. > > Assume you decremented 512 swapcounts and some of them went to 0. AFAIU, you'd > have to start with the first swapslot that has now a swapcount=0 one and try to > reclaim swap. > > Assume you get a small folio, then you'll have to proceed with the next swap > slot and try to reclaim swap. > > Assume you get a large folio, then you can skip more swapslots (depending on > offset into the folio etc). > > If you get what I mean. :) > I've implemented the batching as David suggested, and I'm pretty confident it's correct. The only problem is that during testing I can't provoke the code to take the path. I've been pouring through the code but struggling to figure out under what situation you would expect the swap entry passed to free_swap_and_cache() to still have a cached folio? Does anyone have any idea? This is the original (unbatched) function, after my change, which caused David's concern that we would end up calling __try_to_reclaim_swap() far too much: int free_swap_and_cache(swp_entry_t entry) { struct swap_info_struct *p; unsigned char count; if (non_swap_entry(entry)) return 1; p = _swap_info_get(entry); if (p) { count = __swap_entry_free(p, entry); if (count == SWAP_HAS_CACHE) __try_to_reclaim_swap(p, swp_offset(entry), TTRS_UNMAPPED | TTRS_FULL); } return p != NULL; } The trouble is, whenever its called, count is always 0, so __try_to_reclaim_swap() never gets called. My test case is allocating 1G anon memory, then doing madvise(MADV_PAGEOUT) over it. Then doing either a munmap() or madvise(MADV_FREE), both of which cause this function to be called for every PTE, but count is always 0 after __swap_entry_free() so __try_to_reclaim_swap() is never called. I've tried for order-0 as well as PTE- and PMD-mapped 2M THP. I'm guessing the swapcache was already reclaimed as part of MADV_PAGEOUT? I'm using a block ram device as my backing store - I think this does synchronous IO so perhaps if I have a real block device with async IO I might have more luck? Just a guess... Or perhaps this code path is a corner case? In which case, perhaps its not worth adding the batching optimization after all? Thanks, Ryan