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On 3/4/24 16:41, Guenter Roeck wrote:

>>> +
>>> +  min-rpm:
>>> +    description:
>>> +      Min RPM supported by fan.
>>> +    $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
>>> +    maximum: 1000
>>
>> I can't say with certainty that it's not, but are we sure 1000 is low enough?  Looking at just what I've got on hand, an 80mm fan I have will run steadily at about 1500RPM, and I'd assume larger ones (e.g. 120mm) could potentially go significantly lower...
>>
> 
> I have seen fans which run stable at < 400rpm.
> One of my systems right now has:
> 
> fan1:              732 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
> fan2:                0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
> fan3:              586 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
> fan4:              472 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
> fan5:              480 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
> 
> Those are 80mm fans. A quick check shows that various Noctua fans have a
> minimum speed of 300 rpm. So 1000 is indeed a bit high for the minimum speed.
> 

No, wait, that is the _maximum_ minimum speed. Got me there.

So, there is Noctua's NF-A4x20 PWM with a minimum rotational speed of 1,200 RPM.

If I interpret
https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/471/SanyoDenki_San_Ace_40LG28_E-3198440.pdf
correctly, it lists some fans with a minimum speed of 7,500 RPM.

Guenter