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Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:01:45 -0800
From: Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>
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To: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
CC: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>, Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
       Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
       Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] USB Kconfig: Select SCSI for USB Mass Storage	support
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Stefan Richter wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> Whether or not an option requires an additional subsystem like e.g. SCSI 
>> or SSB are hardware and implementation details we shouldn't bother 
>> kconfig users with.
> 
> What is an implementation detail and what is not?  In the end,
> everything that we configure in Kconfig is implementation details.
> 
> PS:
> Kill 'select' already, and instead work on better UIs if you have got
> trouble with the complexities of the dependencies graph.  The graphic
> UIs including menuconfig currently work best for tree-like dependencies,
> but the graph isn't a tree.  Think about how to present this properly in
> an UI.  The Kconfig files are the wrong place to attack this problem.
> 
> PPS:
> Really, it's *not* hard *at all* to configure a 2.6.24-rc6 kernel with
> USB storage support.  I don't read linux-usb --- has there been repeated
> questions how to enable usb-storage in the kernel configuration?  I can

I do read linux-usb.  I don't think that USB storage configuration
is a big issue (currently, without using "select").
But that's just my take on it.

> tell you that there has been no such question about sbp2 (FireWire
> storage support) in years.  Don't fix what ain't broken.  In fact, don't
> /break/ what ain't broken by adding more of the (as yet) broken 'select'
> everywhere.


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