Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758111AbYAHQxR (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:53:17 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757570AbYAHQxG (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:53:06 -0500 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:55336 "EHLO ciao.gmane.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752300AbYAHQxD (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:53:03 -0500 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Subject: Re: The ext3 way of journalling Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1895 Lines: 40 On 2008-01-08, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > Do it step-by-step. Still too much work. > I can recommend that you try another distribution then. They all suck. >>that load drivers in wrong order etc., > > What specific modules and which order do you need for the disks? > There is also kernel-side loading order coming up: > http://lwn.net/Articles/260856/ > >>and are difficult to configure > > I do not really have to configure anything on my machine. Then again, > yours might be vastly different. Typically distros' stock kernels load the intorable integrated buzz-chip as the first sound card, and the wrong network adapter as eth0. SATA and USB disks appear as some randomly ordered scsi nodes, and so on. This could be configured with udev if one were willing to learn -- for a fundamentally very trivial task -- yet another wheel-reinving unnecessarily cryptic piece of shit, to tolerate distros breaking your cryptic config constantly, and to tolerate its intolerable slowness at boot. (/dev should still be the UI for modifying dynamic device mappings, reacting to ln, mv, chmod, etc., instead of being reduced into a race-condition ridden tmpfs shadow, that loses your normally created symlinks and permissions at boot.) But the stock kernels also takes age at boot in (trying to) load a zillion unnecessary drivers. They need to be configured to not load them. But _obviously_ they won't use a _simple_ listing of the modules to load (/etc/modules), but demand complex initrd editing. And all of those tools that I've seen and have not required too much work, have again demanded udev. No thanks. -- Tuomo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/