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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 08:51:31 +0000
From: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: John Ernberg <john.ernberg@actia.se>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net v3 2/2] net: fec: Suspend the PHY on probe
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 08:37:44AM +0000, John Ernberg wrote:
> There is also a case where the phy driver module is not automatically 
> loaded, in cases where request_module() fails, either due to the 
> userspace helper feature being compiled out or other reasons, and the 
> module is loaded manually later. I suspect for reasons like these the 
> genphy probe happens so late. My solution here doesn't cover non-loaded 
> modules either, but this could maybe be covered by moving phy_suspend() 
> to phy_probe(). Unless there is an even more clever way to go about it 
> which I can't see from inexperience.

Note that in the case where the PHY driver module is loaded late,
phy_probe() won't be called for the PHY until that happens.

I would say if one wants a platform to behave with minimal power
consumption, that is something that has to be done across the
software stack, and that includes the boot firmware. So, if one
wants the PHY to be in a low power state at boot time, then
firmware needs to ensure that happens.

Trying to shoe-horn that into the kernel isn't going to work
because we get to decide what to do with the PHY way too late
(due to PHY drivers being modular and on the rootfs.)

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