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Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm:Add watermark slope for high mark
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From:   peter enderborg <peter.enderborg@sony.com>
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On 11/24/2017 11:14 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Fri 24-11-17 11:07:07, Peter Enderborg wrote:
>> When tuning the watermark_scale_factor to reduce stalls and compactions
>> the high mark is also changed, it changed a bit too much. So this
>> patch introduces a slope that can reduce this overhead a bit, or
>> increase it if needed.
> This doesn't explain what is the problem, why it is a problem and why we
> need yet another tuning to address it. Users shouldn't really care about
> internal stuff like watermark tuning for each watermark independently.
> This looks like a gross hack. Please start over with the problem
> description and then we can move on to an approapriate fix. Piling up
> tuning knobs to workaround problems is simply not acceptable.
>  

In the original patch - https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/2/18/498 - had a

discussion about small systems with 8GB RAM. In the handheld world, that's
a lot of RAM. However, the magic number 2 used in the present algorithm
is out of the blue. Compaction problems are the same for both small and
big. So small devices also need to increase watermark to
get compaction to work and reduce direct reclaims. Changing the low watermark
makes direct reclaim rate drop a lot. But it will cause kswap to work more,
and that has a negative impact. Lowering the gap will smooth out the kswap
workload to suite embedded devices a lot better. This can be addressed by
reducing the high watermark using the slope patch herein. Im sort of understand
your opinion on user knobs, but hard-coded magic numbers are even worse.


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