Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758929AbYALTZD (ORCPT ); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:25:03 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751372AbYALTYx (ORCPT ); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:24:53 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.181]:12779 "EHLO wa-out-1112.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750962AbYALTYw (ORCPT ); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:24:52 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dWk2VXkonX555reQJvbr2xDC/ydt0jpGTwTHdk9b+3q2gEIMmk3nFfYWtDrUXET+k/sYTC0zP1PodvYteOpkgr36VniMVOZ0FG6ukt5GmhpnjJX7TG4PnmDlzUOWFqxB912Tz9vsslPSYBjSgFsGwANgemA3qXP4oFOS8sSHBlA= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:24:52 -0500 From: "Andrey Vul" To: "Theodore Tso" , "Tuomo Valkonen" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: The ext3 way of journalling In-Reply-To: <20080112150621.GC6751@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <18307.42821.166376.732473@stoffel.org> <871w8r6ruc.fsf@barad-dur.regala.cx> <20080110131659.GF10230@mit.edu> <20080110134111.GA6254@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> <20080112150621.GC6751@mit.edu> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1734 Lines: 36 On Jan 12, 2008 10:06 AM, Theodore Tso wrote: [snip] > Unfortunately Ubuntu users [snip] fit this demographic hugely, and > Ubuntu refuses to fix this problem[1], so it's been personally very > vexing, because the users complain to *me*, and I can't fix the problem, > because it's a distribution init script issue. Ubuntu refuses to be power user friendly. They've forgotten the True Meaning (tm) of Linux and try to be Windows-friendly, i.e., No Choices (tm). > Maybe someday Ubuntu will get this right --- but I'm not counting on it. The alternative CD installer still looks like a semi-dumbed-down debian installer. Hell, even the command-line base install is severely bloated - it's the exact opposite of LFS or gentoo. Still, it's *usable* in comparison to the livecd. > > [1] Something about installer CD's, and not wanting to ask the users > any questions, not even what time zone they are in, or some other > crazyness. I never completely understood the argument and their > design constraints. Idiot friendliness and no exceptions to power users (e.g.., bloated init scripts, UUID fstab). I switched to debian-unstable ages ago *just* because apt is _really_ easy to use. Which I use secondarily to Gentoo, where things Just Work (tm), once you patch the package ebuilds to process your .patch files anyway and, while the packages have *lots* of patches, it doesn't bloat the code *and* you can disable the patches with the "vanilla" USE flag. -- Andrey Vul -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/