Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel+bounces-120692-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org designates 147.75.48.161 as permitted sender) client-ip=147.75.48.161;
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:46:27 +0000
From: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
To: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	Umang Jain <umang.jain@ideasonboard.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] media: v4l2-subdev: Support enable/disable_streams for
 single-pad subdevs
Message-ID: <ZgP5A0sN9FCoIoPs@kekkonen.localdomain>
References: <20240325-single-pad-enable-streams-v1-1-142e19896a72@ideasonboard.com>
 <20240325125055.GC23988@pendragon.ideasonboard.com>
 <ZgF10EVLrfF7cl57@kekkonen.localdomain>
 <0ad9841d-bb51-4512-9388-f9ce36372677@ideasonboard.com>
 <ZgG5xt07XQ7DJ1_W@kekkonen.localdomain>
 <e497a7a2-a973-4059-8981-1ea83ea3dd30@ideasonboard.com>
Precedence: bulk
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <e497a7a2-a973-4059-8981-1ea83ea3dd30@ideasonboard.com>

Heippa,

On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 07:56:46PM +0200, Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
> On 25/03/2024 19:52, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> > Moi,
> > 
> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 03:43:01PM +0200, Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
> > > On 25/03/2024 15:02, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> > > > Moi,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the patch.
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 02:50:55PM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > > > > Hi Tomi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 02:43:23PM +0200, Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
> > > > > > Currently a subdevice with a single pad, e.g. a sensor subdevice, must
> > > > > > use the v4l2_subdev_video_ops.s_stream op, instead of
> > > > > > v4l2_subdev_pad_ops.enable/disable_streams. This is because the
> > > > > > enable/disable_streams machinery requires a routing table which a subdev
> > > > > > cannot have with a single pad.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Implement enable/disable_streams support for these single-pad subdevices
> > > > > > by assuming an implicit stream 0 when the subdevice has only one pad.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ideasonboard.com>
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > Even though I did send this patch, I'm not sure if this is necessary.
> > > > > > s_stream works fine for the subdevs with a single pad. With the upcoming
> > > > > > internal pads, adding an internal pad to the subdev will create a
> > > > > > routing table, and enable/disable_streams would get "fixed" that way.
> > > > 
> > > > I'd like to get rid of a redundant way to control streaming.
> > > 
> > > We can't get rid of it anyway, can we? We're not going to convert old
> > > drivers to streams.
> > 
> > I'd expect to do that but it'd take a long time. That being said, I think
> > we need to consider devices without pads (VCMs) so it may well be this
> > would remain after all.
> > 
> > > 
> > > For new drivers, yes, we shouldn't use s_stream. But is the answer for new
> > > sensor drivers this patch, or requiring an internal pad?
> > 
> > For new drivers I'd like to see an internal pad in fact.
> > {enable,disable}_streams is still internal to the kernel.
> 
> So, you think this patch should be dropped?

No, no. Not all sub-device drivers with pads are camera sensor drivers. :-)

> 
> > > > > > So perhaps the question is, do we want to support single-pad subdevs in
> > > > > > the future, in which case something like this patch is necessary, or
> > > > > > will all modern source subdev drivers have internal pads, in which
> > > > > > case this is not needed...
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think the latter would be best. I however can't guarantee we won't
> > > > > have valid use cases for (enable|disable)_streams on single-pad subdevs
> > > > > though, so you patch could still be interesting.
> > > > 
> > > > Instead of the number of pads, could we use instead the
> > > > V4L2_SUBDEV_FL_STREAMS flag or whether g_routing op is supported to
> > > > determine the need for this?
> > > 
> > > Maybe, but are they better? Do you see some issue with checking for the
> > > number of pads? I considered a few options, but then thought that the most
> > > safest test for this case is 1) one pad 2) enable/disable_streams
> > > implemented.
> > 
> > I think I'd actually prefer {enable,disable}_streams in fact.
> 
> Hmm, sorry, now I'm confused =). What do you mean with that?

I'd use V4L2_SUBDEV_FL_STREAMS flag instead of the number of pads. The
number of pads is less related to routing.

-- 
Regards,

Sakari Ailus