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[2604:1380:4601:e00::3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14-20020a05640227ce00b0056c09072522si7318701ede.475.2024.04.03.12.29.08 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 03 Apr 2024 12:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel+bounces-130502-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org designates 2604:1380:4601:e00::3 as permitted sender) client-ip=2604:1380:4601:e00::3; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@kernel.org header.s=k20201202 header.b=LtyrAN4F; arc=pass (i=1 dkim=pass dkdomain=kernel.org); spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel+bounces-130502-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org designates 2604:1380:4601:e00::3 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="linux-kernel+bounces-130502-linux.lists.archive=gmail.com@vger.kernel.org"; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=kernel.org Received: from smtp.subspace.kernel.org (wormhole.subspace.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by am.mirrors.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E0821F250A8 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 19:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE0F155317; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 19:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="LtyrAN4F" Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E716524DC; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 19:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1712172537; cv=none; b=sAhzdc0v6Sy6gin28HdSDtIs5SwVNmAsQYOVwPi5bgHjUMFKg96jHG79yHAp9QeUP4r2mOE32x/6diRzJtTEMl/z1kvl66KKBW06C0MzLCf3cgx6G2f+hmtw7QbzagfK2v1Lvk6B46IoaYvGX1+lSfB2pwAEC4kYXlvWTuOeuBs= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1712172537; c=relaxed/simple; bh=wIDvUumWu/EEWCGpQDOZb7IhXYb40cMmso2xgFWKTHM=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=TE4Kj6nFlbATaUjfgkZxKECC4csNlPLXgI4w50mUWUD8S/6uODHHBAS7F8v6eEUbkyJGk4Hj643lpu8y+dKZfCLI85YN4Gc1e/n45+NxWbSnauFqR1BwwdLErTrOpRu+zsK2wR9R0NghIRKfKWdS8T2F2BDyFzWPM56uwVoeiHM= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=LtyrAN4F; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C015C433C7; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 19:28:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1712172537; bh=wIDvUumWu/EEWCGpQDOZb7IhXYb40cMmso2xgFWKTHM=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=LtyrAN4FdI4WDUhTwLZovWHLjyrIHWDtABVsXdlAGf3KkXof1I6sh9KKqFI1yprVN Li+qkwbNE4DvixivSVv2b2HmjWyPBaUPsWR//7y9OGFVzPQkw+wkAYQtlOn5FrFZum ffHx54nXiqrawr7KcBe/I31XnMLnjRwNn74oBl0br5+Rsutna527WgAGxaw2Oyatr+ 8IVQMfblxol0W6IQmK01Ln7CqwOu/BAHrHTmG24uLqqkm2yfiWyFFhxFSTb3Xpoo1Y Ua9KC8GxGZAYVk1F2Z0F5ckEE4IfV+luLVNRU1leZAx2qj8P2fnhDCQoDt9Ld0SDz1 81vnVkjPWn5sQ== Message-ID: <6faa47b0-27c3-47f9-94be-1ec671d9543c@kernel.org> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 13:28:55 -0600 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 0/5] mlx5 ConnectX control misc driver Content-Language: en-US To: Jason Gunthorpe Cc: Jakub Kicinski , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Christoph Hellwig , Saeed Mahameed , Arnd Bergmann , Leon Romanovsky , Jiri Pirko , Leonid Bloch , Itay Avraham , Saeed Mahameed , Aron Silverton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "netdev@vger.kernel.org" , Andy Gospodarek References: <20240304160237.GA2909161@nvidia.com> <9cc7127f-8674-43bc-b4d7-b1c4c2d96fed@kernel.org> <2024032248-ardently-ribcage-a495@gregkh> <510c1b6b-1738-4baa-bdba-54d478633598@kernel.org> <20240322135826.1c4655e2@kernel.org> <20240322154027.5555780a@kernel.org> <1cd2a70c-17b8-4421-b70b-3c0199a84a6a@kernel.org> <0ea32dd4-f408-5870-77eb-f18899f1ad44@gmail.com> <20240402184055.GP946323@nvidia.com> From: David Ahern In-Reply-To: <20240402184055.GP946323@nvidia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 4/2/24 12:40 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > and, as Jakub pointed out, a second argument about who gets to have > power in our community. I think that is the key summary of this disagreement: this is about power over what vendors are allowed to do with in-tree drivers. Jakub is taking the stance that because the devices have use cases with the networking stack, he (as a maintainer of netdev) gets a say on how those devices are accessed across the entire Linux code base and its various use cases. That the device can be used without a netdev seems to be irrelevant.