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Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: coding-style: don't encourage WARN*()
To: Alex Elder <elder@linaro.org>, corbet@lwn.net
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On 14.04.24 19:08, Alex Elder wrote:
> Several times recently Greg KH has admonished that variants of WARN()
> should not be used, because when the panic_on_warn kernel option is set,
> their use can lead to a panic. His reasoning was that the majority of
> Linux instances (including Android and cloud systems) run with this option
> enabled. And therefore a condition leading to a warning will frequently
> cause an undesirable panic.
> 
> The "coding-style.rst" document says not to worry about this kernel
> option.  Update it to provide a more nuanced explanation.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Alex Elder <elder@linaro.org>
> ---
>   Documentation/process/coding-style.rst | 21 +++++++++++----------
>   1 file changed, 11 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/coding-style.rst b/Documentation/process/coding-style.rst
> index 9c7cf73473943..bce43b01721cb 100644
> --- a/Documentation/process/coding-style.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/process/coding-style.rst
> @@ -1235,17 +1235,18 @@ example. Again: WARN*() must not be used for a condition that is expected
>   to trigger easily, for example, by user space actions. pr_warn_once() is a
>   possible alternative, if you need to notify the user of a problem.
>   
> -Do not worry about panic_on_warn users
> -**************************************
> +The panic_on_warn kernel option
> +********************************
>   
> -A few more words about panic_on_warn: Remember that ``panic_on_warn`` is an
> -available kernel option, and that many users set this option. This is why
> -there is a "Do not WARN lightly" writeup, above. However, the existence of
> -panic_on_warn users is not a valid reason to avoid the judicious use
> -WARN*(). That is because, whoever enables panic_on_warn has explicitly
> -asked the kernel to crash if a WARN*() fires, and such users must be
> -prepared to deal with the consequences of a system that is somewhat more
> -likely to crash.
> +Note that ``panic_on_warn`` is an available kernel option. If it is enabled,
> +a WARN*() call whose condition holds leads to a kernel panic.  Many users
> +(including Android and many cloud providers) set this option, and this is
> +why there is a "Do not WARN lightly" writeup, above.
> +
> +The existence of this option is not a valid reason to avoid the judicious
> +use of warnings. There are other options: ``dev_warn*()`` and ``pr_warn*()``
> +issue warnings but do **not** cause the kernel to crash. Use these if you
> +want to prevent such panics.
>   
>   Use BUILD_BUG_ON() for compile-time assertions
>   **********************************************

Did you even read the history about that? Likely not, otherwise I wouldn't
have to learn about this patch on lwn.net.

I suggest reading:

commit 1cfd9d7e43d5a1cf739d1420b10b1e65feb02f88
Author: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Date:   Fri Sep 23 13:34:24 2022 +0200

     coding-style.rst: document BUG() and WARN() rules ("do not crash the kernel")


which includes links to relevant discussions between me and Linus. Most
relevant to the discussion is [1].

All that's written in the document right now (use WARN_ON_ONCE() *lightly*) is precisely
what I still think we should do. That's the case *1.5 years* after I documented that.

Clear NACK from my side: "If you set 'panic_on_warn' you get to keep both
pieces when something breaks." [1]

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wgF7K2gSSpy=m_=K3Nov4zaceUX9puQf1TjkTJLA2XC_g@mail.gmail.com/


-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb