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From: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 19:20:25 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] tty: tty_io: remove hung_up_tty_fops
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, paulmck@kernel.org, 
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On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 18:42, Tetsuo Handa
<penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp> wrote:
>
> On 2024/05/02 23:14, Marco Elver wrote:
> > I sent a patch to add the type qualifier - in a simple test I added it
> > does what we want:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240502141242.2765090-1-elver@google.com/T/#u
>
> Want some updates to Documentation/process/volatile-considered-harmful.rst
> because __data_racy is for patches to add volatile variables ?

This has nothing to do with volatile. It's merely an implementation
artifact that in CONFIG_KCSAN builds __data_racy translates to
"volatile": the compiler will emit special instrumentation for
volatile accesses so that KCSAN thinks they are "marked". However,
volatile is and has been an implementation detail of certain
primitives like READ_ONCE()/WRITE_ONCE(), although as a developer
using this interface we should not be concerned with the fact that
there's volatile underneath. In a perfect world the compiler would
give us a better "tool" than volatile, but we have to make do with the
tools we have at our disposal today.

>   Patches to remove volatile variables are generally welcome - as long as
>   they come with a justification which shows that the concurrency issues have
>   been properly thought through.

My suggestion is to forget about "volatile" and simply pretend it's
data_race() but as a type qualifier, like the bit of documentation I
added to Documentation/dev-tools/kcsan.rst in the patch.

> >
> > I'll leave it to Tetsuo to amend the original patch if __data_racy makes sense.
>
> OK if below change is acceptable.
>
> --- a/include/linux/fs.h
> +++ b/include/linux/fs.h
> @@ -1012,7 +1012,7 @@ struct file {
>         struct file_ra_state    f_ra;
>         struct path             f_path;
>         struct inode            *f_inode;       /* cached value */
> -       const struct file_operations    *f_op;
> +       const __data_racy struct file_operations   *f_op;
>
>         u64                     f_version;
>  #ifdef CONFIG_SECURITY
>
> Hmm, debugfs assumes that f_op does not change?
>
> fs/debugfs/file.c: In function 'full_proxy_release':
> fs/debugfs/file.c:357:45: warning: initialization discards 'volatile' qualifier from pointer target type [-Wdiscarded-qualifiers]
>   const struct file_operations *proxy_fops = filp->f_op;
>                                              ^~~~

Exactly as I pointed out elsewhere: pointers to __data_racy fields now
have to become __data_racy as well:

  const struct file_operations __data_racy *proxy_fops = filp->f_op;

should be what you want there. The type system is in fact helping us
here as intended. :-)