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Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 16:50:02 +0100
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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/6] KVM: arm64: add emulation for CTR_EL0 register
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On Wed, 01 May 2024 09:15:09 +0100,
Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 12:49:48PM +0200, Sebastian Ott wrote:
> > CTR_EL0 is currently handled as an invariant register, thus
> > guests will be presented with the host value of that register.
> > 
> > Add emulation for CTR_EL0 based on a per VM value. Userspace can
> > switch off DIC and IDC bits and reduce DminLine and IminLine sizes.
> > 
> > When CTR_EL0 is changed validate that against CLIDR_EL1 and CCSIDR_EL1
> > to make sure we present the guest with consistent register values.
> > Changes that affect the generated cache topology values are allowed if
> > they don't clash with previous register writes.
> 
> Sorry I didn't speak up earlier, but I'm not sold on the need to
> cross-validate userspace values for the cache type registers.
> 
> KVM should only be concerned about whether or not the selected feature
> set matches what hardware is capable of and what KVM can virtualize. So
> in the context of the CTR and the cache topology, I feel that they
> should be _separately_ evaluated against the host's CTR_EL0.
> 
> Inconsistencies between fields in userspace values should be out of
> scope; userspace shares the responsibility of presenting something
> architectural, especially if it starts modifying ID registers. Otherwise
> I'm quite worried about the amount of glue required to plumb exhaustive
> consitency checks for registers, especially considering the lack of
> ordering.
> 
> Marc, I know this goes against what you had suggested earlier, is there
> something in particular that you think warrants the consistency
> checks?

The problem is that we have a dependency chain: individual cache
levels are validated against CLIDR/CCSIDR, which are themselves
validated against CTR_EL0.

Change one, and everything becomes inconsistent. I absolutely don't
trust userspace to do a good job on that, and not validating this will
result in extremely hard to debug issues in the guest. Which is why
CTR_EL0 was an invariant the first place, and everything derived from
it.

Take for example CLIDR_EL1.Lo{UU,UIS,C}. Their values depend on
CTR_EL0.{IDC,DIC}. SW is free to check one or the other. If you don't
have this dependency, you're in for some serious trouble.

The alternative is to *regenerate* the whole cache hierarchy when
CTR_EL0 is written, and too bad if it changes behind the guest's
back. Yes, the latter is a problem on its own...

Thanks,

	M.

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