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Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 09:54:39 -0700
From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
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On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 04:13:35PM +0200, Marco Elver wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 at 16:11, Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org> wrote:
> [...]
> > > > Does this mean that KCSAN/etc treats the files in kernel/rcu/
> > > > differently than the "Rest of Kernel"? Or what?
> > > >
> > > > And how is it enforced?
> > >
> > > I can only find the strnstr(buf, "rcu") checks in skip_report(),
> > > but they only cover the KCSAN_REPORT_VALUE_CHANGE_ONLY case...
> >
> > Huh, new one on me!  When I run KCSAN, I set CONFIG_KCSAN_STRICT=y,
> > which implies CONFIG_KCSAN_REPORT_VALUE_CHANGE_ONLY=n, which should
> > prevent skip_report() from even being invoked.
> 
> The strnstr hack goes back to the first version of KCSAN released in
> v5.8 [1]. It was added in response to Paul wanting the "stricter"
> treatment for RCU even while KCSAN was still in development, and back
> then syzbot was the first test system using KCSAN. Shortly after Paul
> added a KCSAN config for rcutorture with a laundry list of options to
> make KCSAN "strict" (before we eventually added CONFIG_KCSAN_STRICT
> which greatly simplified that).
> 
> While the strnstr(.., "rcu") rules are redundant when using the
> stricter rules (at least CONFIG_KCSAN_REPORT_VALUE_CHANGE_ONLY=n is
> set), we're keeping the "rcu" special case around because there are
> test robots and fuzzers that use the default KCSAN config (unlike
> rcutorture). And because we know that RCU likes the stricter rules,
> the "value change only" filter is ignored in all KCSAN configs for
> rcu-related functions.
> 
> [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/kernel/kcsan/report.c?id=v5.8

Thank you for the background information!

> Back then syzbot occasionally reported RCU data races, but these days
> rcutorture probably finds all of them before syzbot ever gets its
> hands on new code.

I do try my best.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul