Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:40:36 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] Allow NBD to be used locally
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>In fact, VMware uses local nbd today for its vmware-loop helper
>utility, most likely because of the above-mentioned reasons. (Though
>it quite often hung last time I tried.)

seems this will go away.
recent vmware versions (e.g. server 2.0 beta) have a fuse based replacement for that.

ldd /usr/bin/vmware-mount
        linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000)
        libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0xb7f95000)
! ->  libfuse.so.2 => /lib/libfuse.so.2 (0xb7f79000)   
        libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7f61000)
        libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb7f5d000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7e1c000)
        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7fbd000)
        librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0xb7e13000)

i`m not sure if this is the perfect approach (slower....) , but at least that shouldn`t have those stability issues as the nbd one.

i always felt uncomfortable with the nbd approach...that`s why i started the following discussion-thread: 
http://communities.vmware.com/message/854746

anyway, i can see a point to use nbd locally, but i think it shouldn`t be abused for mapping local disk-images of any kind, even if this has better capabilities than loop or other. why should local disk data be sent trough the network layer? isn`t device-mapper the better infrastructure here?

>So what we have is non-linearity -- LBA 22 comes after LBA 40 -- loop
>does not deal with that.
maybe dm-loop does? http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/DMLoop

regards
roland


>On Feb 2 2008 12:23, Pavel Machek wrote:
>>On Fri 2008-02-01 14:25:32, Laurent Vivier wrote:
>>> This patch allows Network Block Device to be mounted locally.
>>
>>What is local nbd good for? Use loop instead...
>
>Local NBD is good for when the content you want to make available
>through the block device is dynamic (generated on-the-fly),
>non-linear or supersparse.
>
>Take for example VMware virtual disks. Just a guess, but
>they roughly can look like this:
>
>  kilobytes  0.. 1: header
>  kilobytes  1..10: correspond to LBA 0..20
>  kilobytes 11..20: correspond to LBA 40..60
>  kilobytes 21..22: correspond to LBA 22..23
>
>So what we have is non-linearity -- LBA 22 comes after LBA 40 -- loop
>does not deal with that.
>
>And there is supersparsity -- the VMDK file itself is complete, but
>unallocated regions like LBA 24..40 are sparse/zero when projected
>onto a file/block device, respectively; loop cannot deal with that
>either.
>
>In fact, VMware uses local nbd today for its vmware-loop helper
>utility, most likely because of the above-mentioned reasons. (Though
>it quite often hung last time I tried.)
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