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Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 09/12] mm: implement LUF(Lazy Unmap Flush) defering
 tlb flush when folios get unmapped
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On 03.06.24 15:23, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 6/3/24 02:35, Byungchul Park wrote:
> ...> In luf's point of view, the points where the deferred flush should be
>> performed are simply:
>>
>> 	1. when changing the vma maps, that might be luf'ed.
>> 	2. when updating data of the pages, that might be luf'ed.
> 
> It's simple, but the devil is in the details as always.
> 
>> All we need to do is to indentify the points:
>>
>> 	1. when changing the vma maps, that might be luf'ed.
>>
>> 	   a) mmap and munmap e.i. fault handler or unmap_region().
>> 	   b) permission to writable e.i. mprotect or fault handler.
>> 	   c) what I'm missing.
> 
> I'd say it even more generally: anything that installs a PTE which is
> inconsistent with the original PTE.  That, of course, includes writes.
> But it also includes crazy things that we do like uprobes.  Take a look
> at __replace_page().
> 
> I think the page_vma_mapped_walk() checks plus the ptl keep LUF at bay
> there.  But it needs some really thorough review.
> 
> But the bigger concern is that, if there was a problem, I can't think of
> a systematic way to find it.

Fully agreed!

> 
>> 	2. when updating data of the pages, that might be luf'ed.
>>
>> 	   a) updating files through vfs e.g. file_end_write().
>> 	   b) updating files through writable maps e.i. 1-a) or 1-b).
>> 	   c) what I'm missing.
> 
> Filesystems or block devices that change content without a "write" from
> the local system.  Network filesystems and block devices come to mind.
> I honestly don't know what all the rules are around these, but they
> could certainly be troublesome.
> 
> There appear to be some interactions for NFS between file locking and
> page cache flushing.
> 
> But, stepping back ...
> 
> I'd honestly be a lot more comfortable if there was even a debugging LUF
> mode that enforced a rule that said:
> 
>    1. A LUF'd PTE can't be rewritten until after a luf_flush() occurs

I was playing with the idea of using a PTE marker. Then it's clear for 
munmap/mremap/page faults that there is an outstanding flush required. 
the alternative might be a VMA flag, but that's harder to actually 
enforce an invariant.

>    2. A LUF'd page's position in the page cache can't be replaced until
>       after a luf_flush()

That's the most tricky bit. I think these are the VFS concerns like

1) Page migration/reclaim ends up freeing the old page. TLB not flushed.
2) write() to the new page / write from other process to the new page
3) CPU reads stale content from old page

PTE markers can't handle that.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb