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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 18:40:52 +0000
From: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] ACPI: scan: Ignore Dell XPS 9320 camera graph port
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Hi Rafael,

On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 08:29:21PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> Hi Sakari,
> 
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 8:21 PM Sakari Ailus
> <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rafael,
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 03:06:53PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > Hi Sakari,
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 2:47 PM Sakari Ailus
> > > <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rafael,
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 02:32:26PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I just hit the same problem on another Dell laptop. It seems that
> > > > > > > > > all Dell laptops with IPU6 camera from the Tiger Lake, Alder Lake
> > > > > > > > > and Raptor Lake generations suffer from this problem.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So instead of playing whack a mole with DMI matches we should
> > > > > > > > > simply disable ACPI MIPI DISCO support on all Dell laptops
> > > > > > > > > with those CPUs. I'm preparing a fix for this to replace
> > > > > > > > > the DMI matching now.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > DisCo for Imaging support shouldn't be dropped on these systems, and this
> > > > > > > > isn't what your patch does either. Instead the ACPI graph port nodes (as
> > > > > > > > per Linux specific definitions) are simply dropped, i.e. this isn't related
> > > > > > > > to DisCo for Imaging at all.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So it looks like the changelog of that patch could be improved, right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, yes. The reason the function is in the file is that nearly all camera
> > > > > > related parsing is located there, not that it would be related to DisCo for
> > > > > > Imaging as such.
> > > > >
> > > > > So IIUC the camera graph port nodes are created by default with the
> > > > > help of the firmware-supplied information, but if that is defective a
> > > > > quirk can be added to skip the creation of those ports in which case
> > > > > they will be created elsewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this correct?
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > >
> > > So it would be good to add a comment to this effect to
> > > acpi_nondev_subnode_extract() where acpi_graph_ignore_port() is
> > > called.
> > >
> > > And there is a somewhat tangential question that occurred to me: If
> > > the nodes are created elsewhere when acpi_graph_ignore_port() is true,
> > > why is it necessary to consult the platform firmware for the
> > > information on them at all?  Wouldn't it be better to simply always
> > > create them elsewhere?
> >
> > Simple answer: for the same reason why in general system specific
> > information comes from ACPI and not from platform data compiled into the
> > kernel.
> >
> > Of course this is technically possible but it does not scale.
> 
> While I agree in general, in this particular case the platform data
> compiled into the kernel needs to be present anyway, at least
> apparently, in case the data coming from the platform firmware is
> invalid.
> 
> So we need to do 3 things: compile in the platform data into the
> kernel and expect the platform firmware to provide the necessary
> information, and add quirks for the systems where it is known invalid.
> 
> Isn't this a bit too much?

Isn't this pretty much how ACPI works currently?

We can support systems that contain correct DSDT description of cameras
without platform data. I was, until recently, only aware of Dell XPS 9315
that has incorrect camera description and that based on recent findings
seems to extend to other Dell systems with IPU6 (Hans's patches have the
details).

Still this is not a reason to break systems that have correct camera
description and expect the users to report them so they can be listed as
such.

> 
> > On laptops shipped with Windows some additional information is also available
> > from ACPI via custom objects but a lot of information is just hard coded into
> > the IPU bridge as well as the INT3472 driver.
> 
> Well, that's how it goes.

Yes, but is it desirable?

-- 
Kind regards,

Sakari Ailus