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Hans-Jürgen Koch wrote:
> Am Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:49:42 +1030
> schrieb David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>:
>   
>> Nobody is saying "I don't like your licence."  The issue is a
>> technical restriction in Linux that attempts to restrict non-GPL
>> software from running under it.  
>>     
>
> What are you trying to say? You like the license but you're against
> enforcing it? 
>   

I told you: the GPL does not preclude inter-operation with non-GPL software.

>> It's a bullish approach, technically incompetent,
>>     
>
> What's incompetent?
>   
It's easily defeated.

>> legally meaningless
>>     
>
> It is not legally meaningless if copyright holders publicly state how
> they interpret the license and what they consider a license violation.
>   

Copyright-holders' opinions mean nothing.  In the particular case of
EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL, copyright-holders' opinions are clearly flawed
because they make a statement about code that they do not even know of. 
It's equivalent to someone saying, "you are wrong," before you've even
thought about saying something.

> In the end, a court must decide, but lots of courts will at least look
> at the statements the copyright holders made over the years.
>
>   
>> and politically damaging.
>>     
>
> That's your opinion because it's damaging _your_ political goals.
>   

How ludicrous.  That's as much a nonsense as EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL.  You
have no idea what my political goals are.

Less there be further confusion: I am not an advocate for binary
drivers.  That role is reserved for others.  However that does not stop
me from criticising something that is obviously wrong.  Stating that
only a GPL code is permitted to use a symbol contravenes the GPL,
because the GPL states no such requirement.  Saying that it's impossible
for code that uses the symbol to be non-GPL (as has been claimed) is a
lie at worst, and a hope at best.  Nobody claiming such a thing could
know it to be true.  (It is not true.)
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