Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754354AbYCLSX0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:23:26 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751346AbYCLSXT (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:23:19 -0400 Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com ([47.129.242.56]:45295 "EHLO zcars04e.nortel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751044AbYCLSXS (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:23:18 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 687 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:23:17 EDT Message-ID: <47D81CD9.6000802@nortel.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:11:37 -0600 From: "Chris Friesen" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-6 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Phillips CC: Alan Cox , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet References: <200803092346.17556.phillips@phunq.net> <200803102050.40567.phillips@phunq.net> <20080312131133.60e99d29@the-village.bc.nu> <200803121029.54108.phillips@phunq.net> In-Reply-To: <200803121029.54108.phillips@phunq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2008 18:11:40.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[8518F980:01C8846C] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 937 Lines: 26 Daniel Phillips wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2008 06:11, Alan Cox wrote: >>No I get that. You've ignored the fact I'm suggesting that design choice >>is dumb. > > > You seem to be calling Linux unreliable. It's more reliable than many others, but it's not perfect. Besides, there are many failure modes beyond the control of the kernel. Hardware errors can lock up the bus and prevent I/O, RAM modules can go bad, technicians can yank out cards without waiting for the ready light. For certain classes of devices it's necessary to plan for these sorts of things, and a model where the on-disk structures may be inconsistent by design is not going to be very attractive. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/