Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756755AbYCMUfI (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:35:08 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753494AbYCMUe5 (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:34:57 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:54738 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752203AbYCMUe4 (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:34:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:34:31 -0400 From: Rik van Riel To: Daniel Phillips Cc: Willy Tarreau , Chris Friesen , Lars Marowsky-Bree , Alan Cox , Grzegorz Kulewski , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet Message-ID: <20080313163431.7b4058ef@cuia.boston.redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <200803120117.57644.phillips@phunq.net> References: <200803092346.17556.phillips@phunq.net> <200803111256.51267.phillips@phunq.net> <20080311205340.GJ8953@1wt.eu> <200803120117.57644.phillips@phunq.net> Organization: Red Hat, Inc X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1019 Lines: 25 On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:17:56 -0800 Daniel Phillips wrote: > So we have a flock of people arguing that you can't trust Linux. Well > maybe there are situations were you can't, but what can you trust? > Disk firmware? Bios? Big maybes everywhere. The traditional and proven method to constructing a reliable system is to assume that no component can be fully trusted. This is especially true for new code. By being paranoid about everything, failures in one component are usually contained well enough that one failure is not catastrophic. In order for ramback to get appeal with the people who are paranoid about data integrity (probably a vast majority of users), you will need some guarantees about flush order, etc... -- All Rights Reversed -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/