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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:11:14 -0400
From: Stephen Clark <Stephen.Clark@seclark.us>
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To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: linux+glibc memory allocator, poor performance
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Al Viro wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 06:10:01AM +1030, David Newall wrote:
>   
>> Pekka Enberg wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Alan,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>>  Politeness is a good thing this list needs more of.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Do you honestly think we should be polite to people trolling on the
>>> LKML?
>>>       
>> I do.  It's obvious.  Rudeness detracts (and reflects poorly on one's
>> parents.)  Good manners cost nothing.  I might also point out that it
>> was bad manners, not any alleged trolling, which caused this sad
>> discussion.
>>     
>
> "Deliberate insult" would describe the original posting more accurately.
> Whether you prefer to look at it as a show of bad manners or as trolling
> is a matter of perspective; arguably it had been both.
>
>   
>> Don't be rude; rather say nothing.
>>     
>
> Request duly noted and denied.  For the record: condescending twits of that
> variety ("I can't be arsed to look at code I'm commenting on; here's my
> valuable insight that is obviously beyond the mental capacity of anybody
> here") can expect a harsh reply, whoever they are.  I'm yet to see l-k
> regulars treating newbies that way, BTW, despite the much decried lack of
> politeness.
>
> Since you are postulating social norms, here's one you seem to have overlooked:
> one who comments on code or design, be it review, suggestions of changes/
> improvements, etc., ought to read the thing he is commenting on.  Whoever
> it is and wherever the code in question might be.  And yes, it applies to
> kernel hackers commenting on newbies' patches to the same extent as to
> completely unknown folks commenting on the kernel, etc.
>
> Breaking that rule and being caught at that is one hell of a way to earn
> yourself a lousy reputation.  Combine that with arrogance and... well,
> there's a term for what you become: target practice.
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>   
Someone once said:
"If you don't have anything good to say, don't day anything at all".

I have been reading LKML since the mid 90's and continually see people 
jump on
what are maybe dumb/stupid questions or trolls instead of simply 
ignoring them.

My $.02
Steve

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deserve neither liberty nor safety."  (Ben Franklin)

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