Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:08:19 -0700
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
Cc: ebiederm@xmission.com, xemul@openvz.org, pavel@ucw.cz, sds@tycho.nsa.gov,
       roland@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ptrace: it is fun to strace /sbin/init
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On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:56:11 +0300
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru> wrote:

> On 03/24, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:51:10 +0300
> > Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru> wrote:
> > 
> > > Ptracing of /sbin/init is not allowed. Of course, this is dangerous, but may
> > > be useful. Introduce the kernel boot parameter to allow this, so that we can't
> > > surprise some special/secured systems.
> > 
> > I dunno, is this really needed?
> 
> Well, this is the question. I think it would be very nice to have the ability
> to debug/strace init. Especially if you try to make your own distribution /
> your own init.
> 
> Sometimes I see init at the top of the top's output, with this patch I have a
> chance to see what's going on on my system.

I agree that init should be ptraceable.  I'm questioning the value of a
knob which enables that ability.

Why not just unconditionally enable root's abiltiy to ptrace init?
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