Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:16:34 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:15:26 -0500 Received: from ns1.system-techniques.com ([199.33.245.254]:48003 "EHLO filesrv1.baby-dragons.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:14:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:14:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Mr. James W. Laferriere" To: Alan Cox cc: Linux Kernel List Subject: Re: Hardwired drivers are going away? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hello Alan , On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Urban legend. > > I do not agree . Got proof ? Yes that is a valid question . > Most of the rootkit type stuff I see nowdays includes code for loading > patches into module free kernels. Its a real no win. The better ones support > regexp scanning so they can patch kernels where the sysadmin thinks he/she > is cool and has hidden or crapped in System.map Same as I am seeing . This does not eleviate the fact that modules can & are a still a security issue . Yes , sloppy administration is still the biggest culprit in 'most' compromises . > > > > case becouse the system can't know where the module will be located IIRC) > > > I defy you to measure it on x86 > > OK ,How about sparc-64/alpha/ia64/... ? > Not generally found in your grandmothers PC No, But it is -mine- ! If I can not have complete control over my system due to the way the Fathers of this operating system are taking it I will have no choice but to use another or be stuck at a non-maintained version . Now mind you I LIKE LINUX ! > > > > 3. simplicity in building kernels for other machines. with a monolithic > > > > kernel you have one file to move (and a bootloader to run) with modules > > > > you have to move quite a few more files. > > > tar or nfs mount; make modules_install. > > Please my laugh'o meter is stuck already . Sorry . JimL > Then fix it, because the above works well. Also remember that autoconfig > tools won't be able to guess remote machines very well 8) Show me , Please . I am not convinced . I shall try out the new level of kernel without a doubt . But , I find the concept that -everything- is dynamic to be wrong . Mind you My opinion . Twyl , JimL +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | James W. Laferriere | System Techniques | Give me VMS | | Network Engineer | P.O. Box 854 | Give me Linux | | babydr@baby-dragons.com | Coudersport PA 16915 | only on AXP | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/