Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754842AbYC1KUn (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:20:43 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752543AbYC1KUf (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:20:35 -0400 Received: from mx2.mail.elte.hu ([157.181.151.9]:39679 "EHLO mx2.mail.elte.hu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752483AbYC1KUe (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:20:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:20:10 +0100 From: Ingo Molnar To: David Brownell Cc: Mark Lord , David Miller , jkosina@suse.cz, gregkh@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, pavel@suse.cz, akpm@linux-foundation.org, rtc-linux@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh. Message-ID: <20080328102010.GA633@elte.hu> References: <20080327160700.GB828@suse.de> <200803272358.20081.david-b@pacbell.net> <20080328091645.GI21413@elte.hu> <200803280249.42193.david-b@pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200803280249.42193.david-b@pacbell.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamScore: -1.5 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamVersion: ELTE 2.0 X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-1.5 required=5.9 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no SpamAssassin version=3.2.3 -1.5 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1208 Lines: 33 * David Brownell wrote: > Prevent the most significant RTC configuration problems: > > - If the new RTC framework is enabled, don't allow any of the > legacy drivers to be configured. yay!!!! > - When using generic RTC on x86, enable rtc-cmos by default. Amen. > It seems too many people are used to enabling a legacy RTC despite the > Kconfig help/comments; the gentle approach hasn't worked. Very-Much-Acked-by: Ingo Molnar it's not just about being gentle: it's that there are thousands of .config options that are confusing to most users, so our defaults and rules must make sense. If we think that an approach is superior (which your new RTC code certainly is), we have to take up the responsibility of pushing that as a prominent, default choice and excluding the old code. That ends up benefiting everyone, reduces complexity of the kernel. You wont see anyone shed tears for the old code. Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/