Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755230AbYC1LBF (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:01:05 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754875AbYC1LAv (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:00:51 -0400 Received: from gprs189-60.eurotel.cz ([160.218.189.60]:56248 "EHLO gprs189-60.eurotel.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754825AbYC1LAt (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:00:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:01:27 +0100 From: Pavel Machek To: Ingo Molnar Cc: David Brownell , Mark Lord , David Miller , jkosina@suse.cz, gregkh@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, rtc-linux@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh. Message-ID: <20080328110127.GA1706@elf.ucw.cz> References: <20080327160700.GB828@suse.de> <200803272358.20081.david-b@pacbell.net> <20080328091645.GI21413@elte.hu> <200803280249.42193.david-b@pacbell.net> <20080328102010.GA633@elte.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080328102010.GA633@elte.hu> X-Warning: Reading this can be dangerous to your mental health. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1575 Lines: 41 On Fri 2008-03-28 11:20:10, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * David Brownell wrote: > > > Prevent the most significant RTC configuration problems: > > > > - If the new RTC framework is enabled, don't allow any of the > > legacy drivers to be configured. > > yay!!!! > > > - When using generic RTC on x86, enable rtc-cmos by default. > > Amen. > > > It seems too many people are used to enabling a legacy RTC despite the > > Kconfig help/comments; the gentle approach hasn't worked. > > Very-Much-Acked-by: Ingo Molnar Acked-by: Pavel Machek > it's not just about being gentle: it's that there are thousands of > .config options that are confusing to most users, so our defaults and > rules must make sense. If we think that an approach is superior (which > your new RTC code certainly is), we have to take up the responsibility > of pushing that as a prominent, default choice and excluding the old > code. That ends up benefiting everyone, reduces complexity of the > kernel. You wont see anyone shed tears for the old code. ...as I got bitten by this, too. -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html pomozte zachranit klanovicky les: http://www.ujezdskystrom.info/ -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/