Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:51:14 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:51:06 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:14727 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:50:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:34:23 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Rob Landley Cc: Charles Cazabon , Linux Kernel List , Alan Cox , Eli Carter , "Michael Lazarou (ETL)" Subject: Re: Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Message-ID: <20020114173423.A23081@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Rob Landley , Charles Cazabon , Linux Kernel List , Alan Cox , Eli Carter , "Michael Lazarou (ETL)" In-Reply-To: <20020114125228.B14747@thyrsus.com> <20020114125508.A3358@twoflower.internal.do> <20020114135412.D17522@thyrsus.com> <20020114223042.ENDG28486.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020114223042.ENDG28486.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from landley@trommello.org on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 09:28:41AM -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Rob Landley : > Make autoconfigure expands the pool of people who can build kernels, > but it's not going to saturate the populace to the point where > everybody immediately SHOULD. Not even close. Over time, the pool > will grow. But aiming for Aunt Tillie in the short term is probably > overreaching. No, it's not. Because the second we stop thinking about Aunt Tillie, we start making excuses for badly-designed interfaces and excessive complexity. We tend to fall back into insular, elitist assumptions that limit both the useability of our software and its potential user population. We get lazy and stop checking our assumptions. When we do this, Bill Gates laughs at us, and is right to do so. I've seen it happen in this thread. Many lkml people clearly have the attitude that if you aren't willing to sweat the arcana, you shouldn't be building kernels. Whst they don't realize is that with that attitude, we not only lose the Aunt Tillies of the world, we inflict a lot of unnecessary hassle on *ourselves*, too. We're sweating details with think time we could be spending creatively. Therefore I try to stay focused on Aunt Tillie even though I know that you are objectively correct and her class of user is likely not to build kernels regularly for some years yet. -- Eric S. Raymond No matter how one approaches the figures, one is forced to the rather startling conclusion that the use of firearms in crime was very much less when there were no controls of any sort and when anyone, convicted criminal or lunatic, could buy any type of firearm without restriction. Half a century of strict controls on pistols has ended, perversely, with a far greater use of this weapon in crime than ever before. -- Colin Greenwood, in the study "Firearms Control", 1972 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/