Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:35:44 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:35:34 -0500 Received: from svr3.applink.net ([206.50.88.3]:50953 "EHLO svr3.applink.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:35:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200201142333.g0ENXDk18838@home.ashavan.org.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Timothy Covell Reply-To: timothy.covell@ashavan.org To: Reid Hekman , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:30:51 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] In-Reply-To: <20020114132618.G14747@thyrsus.com> <20020114153844.A20537@thyrsus.com> <1011046709.18003.45.camel@zeus> In-Reply-To: <1011046709.18003.45.camel@zeus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org OK, drop what you're holding and prepare to load up on rotten tomatoes, but I know that there is a solution. Inasmuch as I am a fan of Linux and BeOS, I think that the way to go is with just about everything (sans networking perhaps) built as a kernel module just like what is being discussed. Nothing is simpler in BeOS than downloading a driver and plopping it in $HOME/config/add-ons/kernel/busses/ieee1394 (most install scripts do this for the user or provides a "drag this driver to here" link. And with BeOS, the boot menu allows one to disable "user add-ons" so that if there is a problem with the module, one can disable it. Yes, this doesn't please the server folks. For them, I think that we should either leave the monolithic build as an option or find a way to get rid off any penalties to using modules. BeOS, autoconfigures and loads all drivers in the 15 seconds or so that it takes to achieve a complete hard boot. That much said, BeOS only supports good hardware and left ISA stuff to user to play with (via a GUI tool). I really do not see the value of any more discussion of how to autoconfigure ISA/MCA/EISA/VLB cards. The vast majority of people using those systems are: 1. Still stuck in DOS World 2. Use M$ anyway 3. Would be afraid to upgrade their kernel 4. Think it's cool to have a Beowulf cluster of 386s 5. Forgot to turn off their computers before they died 6. Ancient sattelite based missile silos which we wouldn't want to touch anyhow..... -- timothy.covell@ashavan.org. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/