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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:15:41 -0400
From: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
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To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
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       Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc7:  Ugh.
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Mark Lord wrote:
> Oliver Neukum wrote:
>> Am Montag, 31. März 2008 17:04:46 schrieb Mark Lord:
>>> Oliver Neukum wrote:
>>>> Am Montag, 31. März 2008 16:39:33 schrieb Mark Lord:
..
>>>>> Still want USB_SUSPEND=n ?  Please explain.
>>>> It looks like you are hanging in the kthread for autosuspending.
>>>> Compiling that out should confirm it.
>>> ..
>>>
>>> Okay, and once we see that it works fine:  then what?
>>
>> We'll combine that information with the result of only removing usbhid
>> and arrive at a pretty good idea where in the kernel the hang occurs.
>> There are only two functions that touch autosuspend in the usbhid code.
>> So if it works with usbhid unloaded, either of them should be to blame.
> ..
> It does still hang with *usbhid* unloaded,
> but not if all USB stuff is unloaded.
..

And it does *not* hang with # CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND is not set.

> I have figured out a way to make this much more reproducible now:
> When suspended, the notebook does not supply +5V over USB.
> But with a voltmeter, I discovered that there is sufficient capacitance
> on the USB +5V, that it takes many minutes for the voltage to decay
> from 5.1V down to near 0V.
> 
> Resuming while the voltage is still relatively high, generally works.
> Resuming after the voltage drops to near zero, always fails (with USB 
> modules loaded).
> 
> So I've put a 2Kohm resistor across the USB +5V lines,
> forcing it to decay to zero within about 5 seconds.
> This helps a lot for debugging here.
> 
> It probably also provides a vital clue as to what is wrong.
> Resume seems to generally work when the USB devices maintain
> some amount of standby power, and always fails when they don't.
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