Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:21:43 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:21:34 -0500 Received: from [195.157.147.30] ([195.157.147.30]:52495 "HELO pookie.dev.sportingbet.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:21:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:14:14 +0000 From: Sean Hunter To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Rob Landley , Charles Cazabon , Linux Kernel List , Alan Cox , Eli Carter , "Michael Lazarou \(ETL\)" Subject: Re: Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Message-ID: <20020115091414.A3928@dev.sportingbet.com> Mail-Followup-To: Sean Hunter , "Eric S. Raymond" , Rob Landley , Charles Cazabon , Linux Kernel List , Alan Cox , Eli Carter , "Michael Lazarou (ETL)" In-Reply-To: <20020114125228.B14747@thyrsus.com> <20020114125508.A3358@twoflower.internal.do> <20020114135412.D17522@thyrsus.com> <20020114223042.ENDG28486.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20020114173423.A23081@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020114173423.A23081@thyrsus.com>; from esr@thyrsus.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 05:34:23PM -0500 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 05:34:23PM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Because the second we stop thinking about Aunt Tillie, > we start making excuses for badly-designed interfaces and excessive > complexity. Bollocks. The second we (including you) stop thinking about the _user_ of the technology, we make bad decisions. This is not the same thing. We don't expect Aunt Tillie to write kernel drivers for her knitting machine. She (and we) expect(s) someone else to do that for her. The Aunt Tillies of this world don't install of update Windows (or Mac O/S) for themselves except perhaps via "Windows Update" or "Apple Update", which (guess what) supplies a prebuilt binary and DOESN'T BUILD THEM A KERNEL. Besides any other factor, the download/install/reboot time is less than the download-full-tarball/untar/configure/compile/install/reboot cycle. Sean - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/