Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:41:56 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:41:46 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:18048 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:41:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:25:25 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Tom Rini Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Lukas Geyer Subject: Re: Two issues with 2.4.18pre3 on PPC Message-ID: <20020116122525.A6712@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Tom Rini , Benjamin Herrenschmidt , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Lukas Geyer In-Reply-To: <20020116163737.29030@mailhost.mipsys.com> <20020116170554.GA771@cpe-24-221-152-185.az.sprintbbd.net> <20020116121058.B5940@thyrsus.com> <20020116173116.GC771@cpe-24-221-152-185.az.sprintbbd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020116173116.GC771@cpe-24-221-152-185.az.sprintbbd.net>; from trini@kernel.crashing.org on Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 10:31:16AM -0700 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Tom Rini : > Unless the user wants to use drivers/char/rtc.c because they're on a > chrp or prep box. OK, so the derivation right side should change a little (I'll take a patch). The actual point is one of design philosophy. Instead of presenting the ser with unnecessarily platform-specific questions, we should be asking platform-independent (wherever this is possible) questions about the *capabilities* he/she wants and mixing that wuith information about the platform. I'll go further than that. PP_RTC should probably never have existed as a user-visible symbol and question in the first place, as it duplicates what PPC is asking. The derivation should actually take place somewhere in the C code of the PPC port tree. -- Eric S. Raymond Rapists just *love* unarmed women. And the politicians who disarm them. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/