Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760673AbYFXPDE (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:03:04 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755163AbYFXPCz (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:02:55 -0400 Received: from eth7959.sa.adsl.internode.on.net ([150.101.82.22]:45901 "EHLO hawking.rebel.net.au" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753630AbYFXPCy (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:02:54 -0400 Message-ID: <48610C90.5020004@davidnewall.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:32:40 +0930 From: David Newall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Position Statement on Linux Kernel Modules References: <20080623050118.GA22852@kroah.com> <20080623112934.GC5713@hp0.dynamicro.ca> <20080623130917.GB1369@1wt.eu> <20080624113347.GA5246@hp0.dynamicro.ca> In-Reply-To: <20080624113347.GA5246@hp0.dynamicro.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1514 Lines: 31 Greg Louis wrote: > Willy Tarreau wrote >>> (Of course, the best way to rebut that argument [ that outside the >>> developer community, nobody cares whether drivers are proprietary ] >>> would be for end-users to vote with their feet, but for a lot of >>> us, me included, that's not a practical option.) >>> >> The problem is exactly what you describe in your last sentence. Hardware >> manufacturers are well aware of that and make no effort to provide correct >> drivers when they (think they) have a monopoly in certain areas. >> >> What would be needed would be a public list of alternative hardware for >> known existing hardware. > > That is Utopian, I fear. For example, what notebook supports the > installation of alternative hardware? Yet, in non-mobile platforms, alternative hardware is sometimes an option, and so the suggestion does have utility. But it's use goes beyond those situations, as it engenders a new mindset amongst manufacturers, a mindset in which they have to play by our rules or lose market share, and once they start doing that they'll find there's no reason not to keep doing it. Then, even mobile platforms will have a full set of open drivers. So I think a public list of alternative hardware is an excellent suggestion. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/