Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756927AbYF0QyQ (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:54:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752028AbYF0QyD (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:54:03 -0400 Received: from smtp-out.google.com ([216.239.33.17]:22768 "EHLO smtp-out.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750971AbYF0QyA (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:54:00 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: content-disposition:references; b=cH4NsQc5xcuAK7Hjk7Y9D2IVgDnCa2mK4VxTmcBSD3NY6XhEY0It9lUuX623oWrti XLv+ZaRSS+NeXaVLDaOBw== Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:53:46 -0700 From: "Grant Grundler" To: "James Bottomley" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] KS Topic Proposal: Vendor and User problems with the Kernel Cc: ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel In-Reply-To: <1214583706.3394.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1214583706.3394.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3667 Lines: 75 On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:21 AM, James Bottomley wrote: > This proposal is a bit different from a concrete topic, but it's based > on the generally positive feedback from the end user panel last year. > It's to allocate 2h of Kernel summit to discuss problems raised by > vendors and end users. The format I'm proposing is 10 minutes of > problem introduction by someone from the vendor or user representative > who is a subject matter expert and 20 minutes of discussion (so, > hopefully four such problems). > > As usual, the difficulty is actually finding people from the vendor and > user community willing to do such a presentation (and ensuring they > won't simply want to talk about their problems with X distro enterprise > kernels). The way I think we might get some diverse problems is to send > out a call for participation. I think this is a good idea and I suggest using referrals since it's not just about the problem. It's also how it's presented. And it would be worth a few $K to pay for a good presenter who has something relevant to say. e.g. enough to cover travel/hotel plus something extra. Secondly, these problems arise because second tier users aren't participating in the development. I see this CFP as a "Call For Participation" and not a "call for papers". I also suggest trying to get representatives from different communities. e.g. education, handhelds, desktop (something other than gfx drivers, maybe revisit the user visible latency issues), HPC, database, etc. I left out "embedded" since that's now too vague, has been flogged to death in the past, and I _hope_ now has better participation. The last issue I see is "Vendor" usually means HW vendor with a few major SW vendors (e.g. Oracle, SAP). Those guys have sufficient representation and I think some newer, smaller players (e.g. not google) would be more interesting to invite. Maybe dreamworks, pixar, or Ernie Ball Guitar Strings (http://www.ernieball.com/) might be examples. hth, grant > Something like. > > "The kernel summit programme committe is inviting proposals for > participation in the 2008 Kernel Summit in Portland Oregon (URL) from > members of the End User and Vendor communities wishing to raise > particular issues or problems they see with the current Linux Kernel. A > good problem presentation should stimulate discussion with the kernel > community, and as such the presenter should be a subject matter expert > capable of engaging in the debate. While the presenter may have a > preferred solution, they should concentrate on the problem and be > prepared to consider the effects of solutions outside of their preferred > one. It goes without saying that problems should have a significant > component which is susceptible to a solution within the Linux Kernel. > > "Proposals of around 500 words and describing the nature of the problem > and the credentials of the presenter should be forwarded to the Linux > Kernel Programme Committee at > " > > Obviously we'd have to circulate this beyond the usual mailing lists, > but we can solicit help from the Linux Foundation to do this. > > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Ksummit-2008-discuss mailing list > Ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org > https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-2008-discuss > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/