Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1762997AbYF0SXm (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:23:42 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752587AbYF0SXe (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:23:34 -0400 Received: from outbound-mail-15.bluehost.com ([69.89.18.115]:39905 "HELO outbound-mail-15.bluehost.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1754619AbYF0SXd (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:23:33 -0400 From: Jesse Barnes To: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Current List of Kernel Summit suggested topics from the discuss list Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:23:29 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 Cc: ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel References: <1214577710.3394.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200806271035.22856.jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org> <48652D5B.60108@zytor.com> In-Reply-To: <48652D5B.60108@zytor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200806271123.30222.jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org> X-Identified-User: {642:box128.bluehost.com:virtuous:virtuousgeek.org} {sentby:smtp auth 75.111.27.49 authed with jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org} DomainKey-Status: no signature Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1208 Lines: 25 On Friday, June 27, 2008 11:11 am H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Jesse Barnes wrote: > > If we measure quality using bug metrics, things are pretty hard. > > One problem with any metric is that the metric becomes a driving factor > in itself. Consider the whole whitespace issue, for example. Sure, but I don't think that's a reason to avoid metrics altogether. We've already seen that purely qualitative discussions don't really get us anywhere. For any discussion about kernel quality I think we have to: a) define our goals (no oopses? fast bug fix turnaround? whatever) b) define a way to measure progress against those goals c) periodically re-evaluate both I think all of these are fairly difficult tasks, and any goal or metric we create will have problems, but does that mean we should just ignore quality? Or limit ourselves to our current situation where everyone has a different idea of what it means and whether we're achieving it? Jesse -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/