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From: "Takashi Sato" <t-sato@yk.jp.nec.com>
To: "Alasdair G Kergon" <agk@redhat.com>
Cc: <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>, <axboe@kernel.dk>,
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       <xfs@oss.sgi.com>, <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
       <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH 0/3] freeze feature ver 1.8
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:12:32 +0900
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Hi,

Alasdair G Kergon wrote:
>> Currently, ext3 in mainline Linux doesn't have the freeze feature which
>> suspends write requests.  So, we cannot take a backup which keeps
>> the filesystem's consistency with the storage device's features
>> (snapshot and replication) while it is mounted.
>> In many case, a commercial filesystem (e.g. VxFS) has
>> the freeze feature and it would be used to get the consistent backup.
>> If Linux's standard filesytem ext3 has the freeze feature, we can do it
>> without a commercial filesystem.
>
> Is the following a fair summary?

Yes, you are right.
We'd like to use the freeze feature without device-mapper/LVM.

> 1. Some filesystems have a freeze/thaw feature.  XFS exports this to
> userspace directly through a couple of ioctls, but other filesystems
> don't.  For filesystems on device-mapper block devices it is exported to
> userspace through the DM_DEV_SUSPEND ioctl which LVM uses.
>
> 2. There is a desire to access this feature from userspace on non-XFS
> filesystems without having to use device-mapper/LVM.
>
> Alasdair

Cheers, Takashi 
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