Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753177AbYGGI7e (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 04:59:34 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750934AbYGGI70 (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 04:59:26 -0400 Received: from smtp6.pp.htv.fi ([213.243.153.40]:40976 "EHLO smtp6.pp.htv.fi" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750807AbYGGI7Z (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 04:59:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:58:37 +0300 From: Adrian Bunk To: Johannes Weiner Cc: Linus Torvalds , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , Natalie Protasevich , Kernel Testers List , Maximilian Engelhardt , Randy Dunlap , "Paul E. McKenney" , James Bottomley , Domenico Andreoli Subject: Re: 2.6.26-rc9: Reported regressions from 2.6.25 Message-ID: <20080707085836.GL21669@cs181140183.pp.htv.fi> References: <200807062002.46863.rjw@sisk.pl> <20080706182648.GE21669@cs181140183.pp.htv.fi> <200807062304.07443.rjw@sisk.pl> <20080706213214.GH21669@cs181140183.pp.htv.fi> <20080706221932.GJ21669@cs181140183.pp.htv.fi> <20080706230610.GK21669@cs181140183.pp.htv.fi> <87skumr2jg.fsf@saeurebad.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87skumr2jg.fsf@saeurebad.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3103 Lines: 81 On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 01:55:15AM +0200, Johannes Weiner wrote: > Hi, > > Adrian Bunk writes: > > > On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 03:27:30PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >> > > >> > When did you tell me that maintainers should not or cannot be Cc'ed on > >> > regression reports? > >> > >> That is not what I'm complaining about. > > > > That is what I wrote in the part of my email you made this comment on. > > > >> I'm complaining about the fact that you *always* argue against closing > >> bugreports. > > > > I'm not always against closing bugs, and e.g. during the last years I've > > closed at about 500 bugs in the kernel Bugzilla due to submitters having > > vanished. > > > >> You have argued against it for over a YEAR now. And every single time I > >> tell you that you are wrong, and exactly *why* you are wrong. > >> > >> If a reporter doesn't respond to say "it's still open", it needs to be > >> closed. It doesn't matter one whit whether there has been developer action > >> on it or not. We cannot keep old reports open - it's a total waste for > >> developers to even _look_ at anything that is more than roughly a month > >> old and hasn't been verified to be still be an issue. > > > > We only differ on whether a human should ask this question once before > > closing a bug or whether regular automated requests are enough. > > I prefer being bugged regularly as a reporter. At the moment I have a > bug at a machine I do not use every day and if I get this email, it > reminds me to test the latest kernel on that machine (or try to > reproduce the bug if it happens in situations not common in my usual > workflow). Then I report back. It often depends on the kind of bug. E.g. if you reported "my main computer crashes twice a day" you would be more interested to see some developer actually working on it before reproducing it weekly. > If these remainders weren't, it would be possible that I forget about a > bug and come back to it when it's a real pain to hunt it down by > change-history or when a possible cause for the bug has left the > developers mind a long time ago. You get me wrong. I'm not saying the automated reminders should vanish. But before closing a bug as "reported does not respond" IMHO a manual request should be done first. Otherwise we get people into the "I reported a bug, got only automated emails, and the only action by the developers was to close the bug once I got too annoyed to answer weekly that it's still present." situation. > Hannes cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/