Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756418AbYGOIPm (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:15:42 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754187AbYGOIP3 (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:15:29 -0400 Received: from mx3.mail.elte.hu ([157.181.1.138]:39110 "EHLO mx3.mail.elte.hu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754131AbYGOIP1 (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:15:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:14:31 +0200 From: Ingo Molnar To: David Woodhouse Cc: Jeff Garzik , Linus Torvalds , Arjan van de Ven , Andrew Morton , alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [GIT *] Allow request_firmware() to be satisfied from in-kernel, use it in more drivers. Message-ID: <20080715081431.GB16600@elte.hu> References: <20080714164119.99c33d5b.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080714165956.7fe2d4ee@infradead.org> <487C0365.5030203@garzik.org> <487C09EB.1050903@garzik.org> <487C1648.5070409@garzik.org> <487C500F.8000109@garzik.org> <1216107418.27455.236.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1216107418.27455.236.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamScore: -1.5 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamVersion: ELTE 2.0 X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-1.5 required=5.9 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no SpamAssassin version=3.2.3 -1.5 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1531 Lines: 40 * David Woodhouse wrote: > On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 03:21 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > * forced a flag day build process change upon all distros/builders > > who switch to >= 2.6.27. no build script updates == non-working > > drivers. > > Jeff, we don't usually call it a 'flag day' when it's just the normal > and uninteresting case that you update the upstream version of the > package, and you need minor tweaks to how you package it. [...] well, i have no opinion one way or another about the firmware issue, but breaking the build and breaking previously working setups is not a "minor tweak". > [...] That happens all the time. [...] No, you are quite wrong, it does not happen all the time. It happens occasionally out of 10,000 changes per kernel cycle. It happens unintentionally most of the time and it's called a regression. The difference here is that you seem to have broken my setup fully intentionally. I have no problem with going forward, but i have a problem with breaking working setups and i have a problem with forced migration to something that doesnt work by default. If there's a fix i can apply and test i'm a happy camper, but all this arguing in these threads with zero patches posted makes me quite nervous. Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/