Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1762637AbYGOTET (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:04:19 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758820AbYGOTEF (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:04:05 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:33042 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758932AbYGOTEE (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:04:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Jeff Garzik cc: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh , Frans Pop , arjan@infradead.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [GIT *] Allow request_firmware() to be satisfied from in-kernel, use it in more drivers. In-Reply-To: <487CF29E.5000009@garzik.org> Message-ID: References: <1216077806.27455.85.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <20080714164119.99c33d5b.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080714165956.7fe2d4ee@infradead.org> <487C0365.5030203@garzik.org> <487C0365.5030203@garzik.org> <200807151757.10626.elendil@planet.nl> <20080715180535.GA6080@khazad-dum.debian.net> <487CE917.3000000@garzik.org> <487CF29E.5000009@garzik.org> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 971 Lines: 27 On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > Because people should not be forced to fix all their firmware-related breakage > immediately, just to boot 2.6.27. You're continuing to make an argument that doesn't seem to backed up with any actual real problems. Can you point to real breakage? For real people? It sounds like your whole argument literally boils down to "one or two people doing something really stupid or odd cannot just fix their setup". What is the real-life situation where copying the firmware with the modules (but still as separate files) actually breaks? IOW, what _is_ this theoretical breakage? And why is it so deadly suddenly? Give us real examples that somehow cannot be fixed? Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/