Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1761134AbYGOUQr (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:16:47 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755776AbYGOUQg (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:16:36 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:36021 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755626AbYGOUQf (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:16:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:15:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Jeff Garzik cc: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh , Frans Pop , arjan@infradead.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [GIT *] Allow request_firmware() to be satisfied from in-kernel, use it in more drivers. In-Reply-To: <487D01B5.7020300@garzik.org> Message-ID: References: <1216077806.27455.85.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <20080714164119.99c33d5b.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080714165956.7fe2d4ee@infradead.org> <487C0365.5030203@garzik.org> <487C0365.5030203@garzik.org> <200807151757.10626.elendil@planet.nl> <20080715180535.GA6080@khazad-dum.debian.net> <487CE917.3000000@garzik.org> <487CF29E.5000009@garzik.org> <487D01B5.7020300@garzik.org> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1452 Lines: 36 On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > Already posted a list. No you didn't. You posted a list of problems you have from doing odd and stupid things. Not the reports, not the explanations of what those odd and stupid things actually were in practice, and why they had to be that stupid. Quite frankly, I suspect that it's all a matter of "people compiled their own kernels, and didn't copy the new files, because they just didn't realize they needed to". Which we really don't even need kernel fixes fot, it just needs some education. BUT. If we knew what the details were, we could make the need for education even less, so that it would just work with whatever they do. But yes, if it fundamentally boils down do "you had a script that copied named files by hand", then that script needs fixing. But that's somethign that somebody who compiles his own kernel (especially in an odd environment, apparently) just needs to do. Sometimes build updates need people to fix things. We find gcc bugs, we require people to update. The whole "new kernels should work with old distributions" does not mean that people building the kernels might not have to do _something_ special. Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/