Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758718AbYGPTeP (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:34:15 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753632AbYGPTd7 (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:33:59 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com ([72.14.204.237]:36115 "EHLO qb-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752559AbYGPTd6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:33:58 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rIDbL9AOMtG4KIKz3/tmiUDTk2lDkRAXI1WWukXfl4KHDSsWHc6LaJCRhNEtWHNz9Y vVKzJGoqpnWoIdpnglVR6LWah9xrwjnZZcP7Yc6rImOtYtRvwlGk6Mi/j1/suBMbO58c UXk+AvZeMnNsKSn0JUQdqiHIbyONEn+lFTOp8= Message-ID: <5ab239b10807161233i6c1c4d0we01ea1b8e6ccaa5b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:33:57 -0700 From: "D. Kelly" To: "mailing list: linux-kernel" Subject: Problem with restricted I2C algorithms in kernel 2.6.26! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2673 Lines: 54 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=3845de25c5f83cd52729570f7b501679d37ca8de The patch at the preceeding url disables the users ability to select I2C algorithms. Specifically the reason stated was: "The algorithm drivers are helper drivers that are selected automatically as needed. There's no point in listing them in the config menu, it can only confuse users and waste their time." The algorithm drivers will not be 'selected automatically as needed' if the user is compiling something outside of the kernel that requires them! Just one example, there are drivers found in the V4L dvb driver tree that require i2c bit-banging be enabled. The drivers are now broken because the user is not allowed to enable bit-banging himself. The only way around this is to revert the patch manually or enable something else in the kernel, that he doesn't need, just to get bit-banging. It's a very bad idea to assume that nothing built outside of the kernel may need i2c algorithms. Furthermore, the whole point of being able to customize your kernel is so you can select only the things which you need. It makes no good sense to intentionally disable/restrict the users ability to do so. Additionally, assuming the ability to select i2c algorithms will only confuse the user and waste their time is ridiculous. The user should be allowed to decide for himself what he needs regarding this! One of the biggest reasons people choose to compile things from cvs/svn/mercurial/etc. is because it gives them access to newer bug fixes and support for things not yet present in the kernel source. A perfect example, the multiproto dvb driver tree. Users wanting support for dvb-s2 devices have to compile drivers outside of the kernel because it's simply not available in the kernel and won't be for some time. I've contacted one of the i2c subsystem maintainers, Jean Delvare, but unfortunately he doesn't seem to care about this problem and his advice in dealing with it is to "Just get these drivers merged in the kernel. Ah ah ah!"... Clearly the more sane and reasonable solution is to not cripple the menu options in the first place, especially when it creates no benefit and only serves to limit/restrict the users ability to select what he needs. I'm asking that the patch be reverted and anyone in agreement to please voice their opinion here in public. Best regards, -Derek -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/