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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:29:59 -0300
From: "Rodrigo Rubira Branco (BSDaemon)" <rbranco@la.checkpoint.com>
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To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
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Willy Tarreau escreveu:
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:07:45AM -0300, Rodrigo Rubira Branco (BSDaemon) wrote:
>   
>>> getting very annoyed at people saying I am somehow doing the job I do
>>> for free, on my own time, incorrectly,
>>>
>>> greg k-h
>>>  
>>>       
>> For free? Hum, let's forget that you work as a linux developer... we are
>> also trying to contribute in some way for free...
>>     
>
> Rodrigo, this type of personal comment is unjustified and very inappropriate
> IMHO. It's not fair at all to judge people's personal involvement based on
> whom they work for. If you'd work at nights and week-ends after your job to
> backport bugfixes, you'd know what I'm talking about. BTW, one day you may
> notice that the most personally involved ones *finally* get a job at a Linux
> vendor's, and not the reverse.
>
> So please take care of not dismissing what people do on their own time, and
> try be kind enough to bring problems to them directly if any.
>
> Thanks,
> Willy
>
>   

Hey Willy,

Sorry, but my comment was not unjustified, since he started saying he is 
doing a free-job and we are saying is doing it  'wrong'.... That's not 
the case.  We all are doing a free job, contributing in some way, not 
just you, him or me... Everybody involved in this discussion. 

But he, more than others, are also paid to do that job... Also, as a 
developer of any project so important as linux, doing that for free or 
not, you have a responsibility.
  You can choose to take it or not (I think that's why there is not many 
people with balls to accept it, and I congrats Greg for that).

Just to finish my statement, let's stop this 'forks' on the main thread, 
please.  I'm not here to judge anybody. Since it's an open project, we 
are trying to give our contribution as security researchers and as 
people who understand the security marketing.


P.S.:  Blahblahblah, disclaimer that this is my opinion and not the 
opinion of the company that I work for.


Regards,


Rodrigo (BSDaemon).
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