Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:11:24 -0700
From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
       "Press, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Press@ca.com>, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
       Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
       malware-list@lists.printk.net, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro
	toalinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning
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On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 07:48:52PM -0400, Eric Paris wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 00:37 +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 03:26:38PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 06:12:34PM -0400, Press, Jonathan wrote:
> > > > Sorry for the top-post... but I give up.
> > > >  
> > > > I don't think I'm stupid, but frankly I don't understand the point of
> > > > the questions being asked in the last three responses to my statement.
> > > > I don't know why they are relevant, and I don't know how to answer
> > > > them in a framework that we can all understand at the same time.
> > 
> > Excuse me?  One of those questions had been a very specific yes-or-no one
> > and I certainly hope that we all can understand either answer to such...
> > 
> > For the record, the question is
> > 
> > "Do you or do you not expect the malware to be active on scanning host?"
> 
> I do believe for a number of AV vendors the answer is yes.  I will try
> to have some offline conversations with the right people at a number of
> vendors and work to better define the threats that they wish to or
> believe they are able to help mitigate.

This is troubling to me.  Why "offline conversations"?  Why are you
being forced to be the mediator here?  Why will these companies not
contribute directly to the development of this code/model in public,
like all other major Linux kernel contributions?

Isn't this the point of the malware-list in the first place?

For them to hide behind _anyone_ seems very suspect.

thanks,

greg k-h
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