Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:50:08 +0300
From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
       "Press, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Press@ca.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
       linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, malware-list@lists.printk.net
Subject: Re: [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a
	linuxinterfaceforon access scanning
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On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 11:05:43AM +0100, tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com wrote:
> Greg KH wrote on 05/08/2008 21:26:21:
> 
> > > [JON PRESS]  I wouldn't call it lazy, actually.  It's more like
> > > "economical" or "ergonomic" -- or, dare I say it -- "user-friendly." 
> In
> > > this case, the users are the AV vendors who will have to write to the
> > > API that will come out of this spec.  We will be more inclined to
> > > appreciate the SDK (for want of a better term) if it covers all the
> > > bases, rather than force us to go elsewhere for some of our
> > > requirements.  When we write SDKs, we try to make sure that our users
> > > will find whatever they need.
> > 
> > But realize that you are adding an overhead on us, the kernel community,
> > to make your life easier.  We are the ones that are taking our time to
> > review and comment on this code.  We are the ones who will have to live
> > with this code for forever, and maintain it over the lifetime of linux.
> > So far, you all have shown no willingness to give anything back to us at
> > all.
> 
> We all? How is that true? I for example wrote some code and am willing to 
> help maintain it if it gets accepted. And as you describe it, it would be 
> true for any submission because not all things are usefull for all people, 
> while everything is baggage for the community. And who is the community? I 
> thought all who take place in discussions, bug reporting, submitting code, 
> fixing bugs etc are the community.

As an observer of this thread:

- Some set of requirements suddenly appears out of the void on 
  linux-kernel.
- Noone is able and/or willing to exactly describe the problem(s) they 
  are trying to solve.

With this status quo the discussion is going nowhere - Linux kernel 
development does not work this way.

The aim is not to include this code, but to find the best technical 
solution for your problem(s) - no matter whether this will have anything
in common with the list of requirements and the code posted or not.

> Tvrtko

cu
Adrian

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