Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753907AbYHOCE3 (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:04:29 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752042AbYHOCEV (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:04:21 -0400 Received: from www.church-of-our-saviour.org ([69.25.196.31]:49736 "EHLO thunker.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750999AbYHOCEU (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:04:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:04:00 -0400 From: Theodore Tso To: david@lang.hm Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Eric Paris , tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, andi@firstfloor.org, Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, malware-list@lists.printk.net, malware-list-bounces@dmesg.printk.net, peterz@infradead.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk Subject: Re: [malware-list] TALPA - a threat model? well sorta. Message-ID: <20080815020400.GG13048@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Theodore Tso , david@lang.hm, Christoph Hellwig , Eric Paris , tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, andi@firstfloor.org, Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, malware-list@lists.printk.net, malware-list-bounces@dmesg.printk.net, peterz@infradead.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk References: <20080813192922.GI8232@mit.edu> <20080814093103.6CD102FE8B4@pmx1.sophos.com> <20080814132455.GE6469@mit.edu> <1218721713.3540.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080814155028.GB8256@mit.edu> <1218734985.9375.5.camel@paris.rdu.redhat.com> <20080814191726.GG22488@mit.edu> <20080814193408.GA10236@infradead.org> <20080814194111.GH22488@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@mit.edu X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on thunker.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1098 Lines: 23 On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 06:44:33PM -0700, david@lang.hm wrote: > could you do something like defining a namespace inside posix attributes > and then setting up a mechanism in the kernel to alert if the attributes > change (with the entire namespace getting cleared if the file gets > dirtied)? According to Eric Paris the clean/dirty state is only stored in memory. We could use the extended attribute interface as a way of not defining a new system call, or some other interface, but I'm not sure it's such a great match given that the extended attributes interface are designed for persistent data. I agree that doesn't actually work very well for the tracker use case, where you the clean/dirty bit to be persistent (in case the tracker is disabled due to the fact you are running on battery, for example, and then you reboot). - Ted -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/