Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753023AbYHRBLt (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:11:49 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751167AbYHRBLl (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:11:41 -0400 Received: from brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM ([192.18.98.43]:45553 "EHLO brmea-mail-2.sun.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750947AbYHRBLk (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:11:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:11:21 -0400 From: David Collier-Brown Subject: Re: [malware-list] TALPA - a threat model? well sorta. In-reply-to: <20080817162603.065c756f@infradead.org> To: Arjan van de Ven Cc: Eric Paris , Jan Harkes , Rik van Riel , "Press, Jonathan" , Alan Cox , peterz@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, malware-list@lists.printk.net, hch@infradead.org, andi@firstfloor.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk Reply-to: davecb@sun.com Message-id: <48A893F9.8090000@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <1218645375.3540.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080813172437.3ed90b0d@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <1218646065.3540.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080813173722.13c9c306@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <1218646833.3540.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080813205906.559d3f37@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <2629CC4E1D22A64593B02C43E855530304AE4BC2@USILMS12.ca.com> <20080813173529.7069b5f1@cuia.bos.redhat.com> <20080815201622.GD31584@cs.cmu.edu> <20080815150509.20ffb91d@infradead.org> <1219015177.27389.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080817162603.065c756f@infradead.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041221 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1062 Lines: 27 Arjan van de Ven wrote: > Eric Paris wrote: >>/me is HSM clueless and trying to include their needs is proving a >>challenge. > > > I bet it's the same; until you read/mmap... no need to get the data. > > you wouldn't want an "ls -l" or "find" to restore your entire system > from tape after all :) > The HSMs I'm familiar with keep the inode and the first block of the file on-disk, so that stat and file commands work. For Windows, you also need to keep the pointer to the icon to use valid, or create a fake one. --dave -- David Collier-Brown | Always do right. This will gratify Sun Microsystems, Toronto | some people and astonish the rest davecb@sun.com | -- Mark Twain cell: (647) 833-9377, bridge: (877) 385-4099 code: 506 9191# -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/