Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:13:19 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:13:10 -0500 Received: from bitmover.com ([192.132.92.2]:15764 "EHLO bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:12:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:12:49 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Rob Landley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Message-ID: <20020128221249.A5583@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , Linus Torvalds , Rob Landley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <200201290446.g0T4kZU31923@snark.thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 10:00:19PM -0800 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 10:00:19PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > And more likely, even if you _do_ find ten people who can do everything, > you don't want them to. [and other things, in general saying that he wasn't happy with the approach] What you didn't do, Linus, is paint a picture which allows development to scale up. Perhaps you don't want it to do so; looking back on Sun's development process has taught me that a lot of it was just a way to slow things down enough that the architects could keep up with the many hacks going on here there and everywhere. If this was Sun, I'd say that slowing things down is good. But cast your mind back to your "Linux is evolution" line of reasoning and ask yourself if that does not mean that allowing the fastest forward progress is what you want. It would seem so, but at this point, Linus, it is hard to predict what you think, so I'll pass on guessing. What would be nice is if you came out with a clear statement, similar to Rob's written summary, that said what it is that you would like to see happen to address the issues that have come up over and over again. The alternative is that sooner or later someone or some group will come up with a better answer, there will be an ugly fight, and a lot of time will get wasted when we could have learned how to grow up nicely. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/