Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754063AbYHSWlQ (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:41:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752416AbYHSWk5 (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:40:57 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:43018 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751907AbYHSWk4 (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:40:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:40:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Evgeniy Polyakov cc: David Miller , akpm@linux-foundation.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [GIT]: Networking In-Reply-To: <20080819222612.GA16766@2ka.mipt.ru> Message-ID: References: <20080819.142735.179034162.davem@davemloft.net> <20080819.144015.40311904.davem@davemloft.net> <20080819222612.GA16766@2ka.mipt.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1658 Lines: 40 On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote: > > I belive it was you who told that there is no black and white (another > guy told that there is no spoon, I frequntly confuse). Yes. > Any changes made no matter when can not be 100% tested in laboratory > environment, even fixes, which look obviously. 100% agreed. Please note that I'm not against these things slipping in occasionally. The reason I brought this up in the first place really wasn't the loopback driver issue at all. The reason I brought it up was simply the fact that when I compare the size and frequency of changes, the networking pulls tend to be the worst of the lot of the "core" kernel changes. I say "core" kernel changes, because things are usually worse for the outliers. As mentioned, networking is actually one of the _better_ guys if you start comparing to the DVB people, or to some of the architectures that often slip the merge window _entirely_, and *all* their changes come in during -rc2 or something. So it's not that networking is especially bad on an absolute scale in this regard. And it's not like it doesn't happen all the time for everybody else too. But I think networking has ben a bit more cavalier about things than many other core areas. So no, I'm not asking for black-and-white absolutes here. But I'm asking for a "tightening of the belts". Please don't let it all hang out, ok? Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/