Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:11:52 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:11:42 -0500 Received: from otter.mbay.net ([206.40.79.2]:23045 "EHLO otter.mbay.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:11:26 -0500 From: John Alvord To: Alan Cox Cc: andrew@pimlott.ne.mediaone.net (Andrew Pimlott), landley@trommello.org (Rob Landley), linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:10:55 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020129005155.A6726@pimlott.ne.mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:06:09 +0000 (GMT), Alan Cox wrote: >> throughput is as high as he wants it to be! Linus has pointed out >> more than once that a big part of his job is to limit change. Maybe >> he's happy with the current rate of change in 2.5. (That doesn't >> mean everything is optimal--he might wish for higher quality changes >> or a different mix of changes, just not more.) > >Progress happens at its own rate. Linus can no more control rate of change >than you can put a waterfall into low gear. There is a difference between >refusing stuff where the quality is low and losing stuff which is clear >fixes > >> Two, Linus has argued that maintainers are his patch penguins; >> whereas you favor a single integration point between the maintainers >> and Linus. This has advantages and disadvantages, but on the whole, >> I think it is better if Linus works directly with subsystem > >Perl I think very much shows otherwise. Right now we have a maze of partially >integrated trees which overlap, clash when the people send stuff to Linus and >worse. > >When you have one or two integrators you have a single tree pretty much everyone >builds new stuff from and which people maintain small diffs relative to. At >the end of the day that ends up like the older -ac tree, and with the same >conditions - notably that anything in it might be going to see /dev/null not >Linus if its shown to be flawed or not done well. > Multiple integrator-trees dilute the tester pool, which is a major limitation on progress. john alvord - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/