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From: Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>
To: Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
        Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>
Subject: Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:23:10 -0500
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On Tuesday 29 January 2002 12:37 pm, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:45:46 +0100
>
> Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com> wrote:
> > Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > >On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > >>What you didn't do, Linus, is paint a picture which allows development
> > >>to scale up.
> > >
> > >Actually, I thought I did.
> > >
> > >Basic premise: development is done by humans.
> > >
> > >Now, look at how humans work. I don't know _anybody_ who works with
> > >hundreds of people. You work with 5-10 people, out of a pool of maybe
> > >30-50 people. Agreed?
> >
> > Not at all. Please have a look at the ARMY. (A tightly hierarchical
> > system...)
>
> Shoot me: where the heck is the creative/innovative element inside the
> ARMY? It just died somewhere down the hierarchy tree...
> Ants are a very successful species, too, but they will hardly ever write
> software (personal guess).
>
> Regards,
> Stephan

This is only marginally on-topic (at best), but I agree the army is a very 
bad model for distributed collaborative development organization to try to 
emulation.  I have in fact written a series about this back when I wrote 
stock market investment columns (strange hobby for a programmer, I know...)

http://www.fool.com/news/foth/2000/foth000731.htm
http://www.fool.com/news/foth/2000/foth000913.htm
http://www.fool.com/news/foth/2000/foth000905.htm
http://www.fool.com/news/foth/2000/foth000918.htm
http://www.fool.com/news/foth/2000/foth000925.htm
http://www.fool.com/portfolios/rulemaker/2000/rulemaker000928.htm
http://www.fool.com/news/foth/2000/foth001002.htm

Linux development is a fan club.  And if you don't think fan clubs can 
mobilize and coordinate truly huge amounts of effort, you've obviously never 
been to worldcon.

But "the prototype and the fan club" is a seperate thing.  Maybe if 
somebody's really really bored I'll give them that talk during a BOF at LWE...

Rob
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