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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:33:37 +0300
From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: default to reboot via ACPI
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Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
>   
>> Most machines are recent machines.
>>     
>
>  This is a bold statement I would say.  Any numbers to back it up?
>
>   

Only common sense.  Non-recent machines are barely usable these days.  
Sure they work well as a firewall or server-in-a-closet, but if you run 
a desktop or a server that actually does useful work, you're running a 
relatively recent machine.

>> If a machine has acpi, and the reset register is wired to the launch 
>> controller, then perhaps this change is unsafe.  Don't issue sysrq-b on 
>> such machines.
>>     
>
>  If a machine has ACPI and it is broken randomly, then the results can be
> arbitrary.  Hopefully not destructively.  If even such a simple thing as
> wiring the reset line so that it functions correctly can be got wrong,
> more so can be more complex matters.
>   

If we find that the reset was wired to the launch controller after all, 
we can back out the change (after we re-evolve technology and Linux; 
after all we are doomed to keep reinventing it, aren't we?).

>  Failing a better alternative, I suppose the change has to go in though.
>   

Let's see what breaks, if any.  I understand the disgust people feel 
when ACPI is mentioned, but we can't ignore reality.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

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