Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752596AbYJDFz1 (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:55:27 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751147AbYJDFzS (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:55:18 -0400 Received: from phunq.net ([64.81.85.152]:42897 "EHLO moonbase.phunq.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751057AbYJDFzR (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:55:17 -0400 From: Daniel Phillips To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Tux3 Report: It's What Next time once again Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:55:12 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 Cc: tux3@tux3.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810032255.13117.phillips@phunq.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2675 Lines: 58 Today was one of those skate-in-the-dark kind of days here in Paradise, but whereas the Tux3 cabal quite enjoys the occasional dimly lit runabout in the concrete jungle, we make it a point not to keep you, loyal readers, in the dark about upcoming Tux3 development directions. The past three week's work made something of a liar of me, as we completely ignored the task of integrating versioned pointers that I had talked about earlier. Instead, the Cabal decided that we would be better served by putting the effort into extents, in the interest of benchmarking well right from the start. In fact, Tux3 will never actually have versioned pointers, but rather versioned extents, a much more ambitious proposition and messy enough that we now plan to defer that coding until some time after the initial kernel port, which is now expected to land with atomic commit and extended attributes but without versioning. Another way of putting it: I promised to cut corners by leaving something for later, and that something is going to be versioning. Tux3 will thus first arrive in kernel as more or less a functional equivalent of Ext3 (with bigger limits and shiny atom thingies) instead of something more exotic. Atomic commit is a biggish project in its own right. As with xattr atoms and certain aspects of the extent strategy, we forge into unexplored territory here with some new ideas on how to handle this tricky task robustly and efficiently. The concept of forward logging, which is just one part of the planned mechanism, was described in the original Tux3 announcement: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/7/23/257 Other pieces of the puzzle were described as part of the discussions with Matt Dillon comparing the designs of Tux3 and Hammer[1]: http://tux3.org/pipermail/tux3/2008-July/000012.html "Comparison to Hammer fs design" http://tux3.org/pipermail/tux3/2008-July/000014.html http://tux3.org/pipermail/tux3/2008-July/000018.html "Two kinds of atomic commit" Many thanks to Matt for forcing me to be clear about certain essential details. Now it is about time to put the pieces together to create a new algorithm which one might call "Son of Phase Tree". The end goal of this effort is to approach media speed for both data and metadata commits, while controlling read fragmentation effectively. Regards, Daniel [1] By the way, somebody should port Hammer to Linux. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/