Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:27:08 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:26:55 -0500 Received: from neon-gw-l3.transmeta.com ([63.209.4.196]:2062 "EHLO neon-gw.transmeta.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:26:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5EB634.7080902@zytor.com> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 08:26:28 -0800 From: "H. Peter Anvin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011120 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner Almesberger CC: "Eric W. Biederman" , "Erik A. Hendriks" , Andrew Morton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC] x86 ELF bootable kernels/Linux booting Linux/LinuxBIOS In-Reply-To: <3C58B078.3070803@zytor.com> <3C58CAE0.4040102@zytor.com> <20020131103516.I26855@lanl.gov> <3C59DB56.2070004@zytor.com> <3C5A5F25.3090101@zytor.com> <3C5ADDD1.6000608@zytor.com> <20020204134927.A5079@almesberger.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Werner Almesberger wrote: [...lots of good stuff...] > > Worse yet, the file-based interface kind of conveys the promise that > the preloader is actually not necessary. This creates an incentive to > keep things that way, so more and more policy will have to be added > to the kernel, simply because externalizing it would shatter that > cute "loader-less" image. > [...] > > So, while a file-based interface looks cool, I think a "thin" > memory-based interface will serve us better in the long run. > I agree with this sentiment. As far as the filebased interface implying it is self-contained/loaderless, we can just look at this thread as well as Linux history -- the boot sector in a Linux kernel is basically useless and doesn't even work on a lot of hardware today, yet people are still refusing to deprecate it "because it's so convenient"... -hpa - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/